exdraken Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 that is how they look when ready to paint: not sure if I will replace them with Eduard ones to have the same on all the stations.... Canopy fits like a glove: and really looks the part! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 I decided to go for the same adapters on all the pylons... the Kh ones with PE looks nice, but, more than one pair (8 in total!) would have been nice! so I had to rob another B-8M Brassin set, and another Su-22 kit for making 4 under fuselage stations work something like this: https://syria.liveuamap.com/pics/2018/04/26/21649677_0.jpg or this: https://scalespot.net/reviews/kits/su22-kh/image00A.jpg where exactly do I put them? KH only provides locations for the centrically mounted fuel tank mounts... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 - Does some one knows the purpose of these holes......? - Sorry for the blurred photos......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Noooiiiceee, Werner; NOICE! Wow, such an ordeal with "they're" pylons you're going through. There's a much knowledgeable bloke going by the name of Harvy on these phorums on the Fitter, with whom me's bitterly argued with regard to the accuracy of the Kitty Hawk Fitter kit vs Hobby Blob - meaning that I won't be the one consulting him about the proper location of the tanks (Yeh, me won't). I'm intending to put the two tanks provided in the Kitty Hawk kit on the pylons right under the wing pivots, for which I was told me needs to modify them, i.e; enlarge and widen 'em. As for the chaff/flare "dispensor" bits in the Trumpy Fencer kit, I think they might as well fit with a minimum mod: Wha'dyathink...? They seem to be "they're" proper height/width/shape, no? Yeh, don't "they're"...? Cheers, Unc2 P.S: Hi Jean-Michel! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, IPMS19 said: - Does some one knows the purpose of these holes......? sorry, no idea... no book of mine give a s...t hint about it, but it can be seen on Su-7s already, at least on most (photos?) I guess some ECS exhaust... at the most... I went for the big Fitter bible and some 4Plus plans + Kagero topshots.... no info afaif.... sorry! but in the 4plus plan at least I found the pylon instalation location and I noted that I have to change the front pylon design, not the adapters though the rear one are the same as the centrically mounted ones, lucky me Edited February 2, 2020 by exdraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 On 03/02/2020 at 01:09, Uncle Uncool said: Noooiiiceee, Werner; NOICE! Wow, such an ordeal with "they're" pylons you're going through. There's a much knowledgeable bloke going by the name of Harvy on these phorums on the Fitter, with whom me's bitterly argued with regard to the accuracy of the Kitty Hawk Fitter kit vs Hobby Blob - meaning that I won't be the one consulting him about the proper location of the tanks (Yeh, me won't). I'm intending to put the two tanks provided in the Kitty Hawk kit on the pylons right under the wing pivots, for which I was told me needs to modify them, i.e; enlarge and widen 'em. As for the chaff/flare "dispensor" bits in the Trumpy Fencer kit, I think they might as well fit with a minimum mod: Wha'dyathink...? They seem to be "they're" proper height/width/shape, no? Yeh, don't "they're"...? Cheers, Unc2 P.S: Hi Jean-Michel! yeah, those out wing pylons are very thin, as I mentioned before, and the adapters are different from the under fuselage ones.... strange move KH... just saying again! regarding @harvy5, is is mostly quite very right and knows his stuff... better do not argues with him on his subjects! you might have more chances when treating Argie Mirages though.... wow , is this your Fencer? very nice!, did you modify it? .... there is hard to get resin out there for nearly every area of the kit... yeah I think those are more or less ok, but it is symmetrical on both ends I also think that is more or less what the Syrians did with their indigenous creation! will look into modifying some Quickboost ones I need to get first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) Hi Werner, nice build. But I have a question. Didn't aftermarkets cost more than a model? 😎 All bomb racks are the same as Su-24, BD3-57 for fighter bombers.Flare dispensers are modified from Su-24. Su-22M-4 has limited speed to M 1.7 and therefore has a fixed shock cone. Therefore, the top anti pumping doors are always open inwards. In Syria Su-22 in combination with 8 bomb racks usually used ODAB-500 bombs(Masive Exploding AB). Edit:Su-22M3/4 haven't landing light under left wing!It's only for Su-17/M and M-2. KH Su-22 is realy poo-poo.It's mix all versions Su-17/22. And L and R ailerons are deflected +3 degrees up. Edited February 4, 2020 by harvy5 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IPMS19 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, harvy5 said: Those holes on the L side of the hull are another stupidity of KH model. On this place are sockets for electric ground power unit. - I suspected faulty moulding as I've been unable to find a photo showing these opennings , I don't see the usefulness of these appertures on the kit excepted for those wishing to built some diorama showing a Fitter plugged to a kind of eletric power device, it turn to be just another opportunity to use putty......thank you for answering,, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, harvy5 said: All bomb racks are the same as Su-24, BD3-57 for fighter bombers.Flare dispensers are modified from Su-24. Su-22M-4 has limited speed to M 1.7 and therefore has a fixed shock cone. Therefore, the top anti pumping doors are always open inwards. In Syria Su-22 in combination with 8 bomb racks usually used ODAB-500 bombs(Masive Exploding AB). Edit:Su-22M3/4 haven't landing light under left wing!It's only for Su-17/M and M-2. KH Su-22 is realy poo-poo.It's mix all versions Su-17/22. And L and R ailerons are deflected +3 degrees up. Hi, Harvy You're so opinionated and knowledgeable about the Fitters than I can admire you even when you're putting down the Kitty Hawk kit so badly. I take it then that the Su-17M4 has only got one landing light under the right wing? Would the bomb racks in the Trumpy 1/48 Fencer be interchangeable with those in the Kitty Hawk Su-17M4 kit then? 11 hours ago, harvy5 said: Those holes on the L side of the hull are another stupidity of KH model. On this place are sockets for electric ground power unit. How would this area look in the Su-17M4 like without those fantasy holes in the Kitty Hawk kit? Didn't you fix the banana (the underbelly ill-shaped issue) in your Kitty Hawk kit? Cheers, Unc2 PS: Hola, Werner, Jean-Michel and Harvy (¡contesten che...!) Edited February 4, 2020 by Uncle Uncool The runner hit me hard in the head before posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Uncle Uncool said: Hi, Harvy You're so opinionated and knowledgeable about the Fitters than I can admire you even when you're putting down the Kitty Hawk kit so badly. I take it then that the Su-17M4 has only got one landing light under the right wing? Would the bomb racks in the Trumpy 1/48 Fencer be interchangeable with those in the Kitty Hawk Su-17M4 kit then? How would this area look in the Su-17M4 like without those fantasy holes in the Kitty Hawk kit? Didn't you fix the banana (the underbelly ill-shaped issue) in your Kitty Hawk kit? Cheers, Unc2 PS: Hola, Werner, Jean-Michel and Harvy (¡contesten che...!) Hi Uncle. Su-22M-3/4 have landing lights only on the nose at the landing gear. Bomb racks. Trumpy Su-24 I have not seen, so I do not know. I have Aires bomb racks for Su-24. Hull section with 4 mysterious holes. The two circular holes on the right are actually pressure meters of the oxygen and air systems. The two on the left, closer to the nose are electric sockets. The bigger is for 115V AC and smaller for 27V DC. KH kit I did not finish, I will do HB .... 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, harvy5 said: Hull section with 4 mysterious holes. The two circular holes on the right are actually pressure meters of the oxygen and air systems. The two on the left, closer to the nose are electric sockets. The bigger is for 115V AC and smaller for 27V DC. Hi Harvy! Highly appreciate your priceless help, mate. As to summarise everything clearly for me and the blokes who've asked, there's no landing lights under the wings in the Su-17M4 other than the two on the sides of the nose landing gear wheel well? Here, and with your permission; are these the four holes you mentioned above? If so, I'm deleting everything on my Kitty Hawk Su-17M4 kit and etch them as I see on this picture. Am I right in my appreciation above? Thanks a lot, Harv. Cheers, Unc2 Edited February 4, 2020 by Uncle Uncool Runner hit me once again; it's getting quite annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Uncle Uncool Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Hi Jean-Michel! Comment ça va, mon ami? Good to know that you fixed the problem with the CWS banana correction piece. How you did to misplace it in such a strange manner just goes over my skull . As Harvy said, the Air Systems/Oxygen gauges are okay with "they're" shape an placement under the wing root. It's the electric sockets that are all wrong but, thankfully enough, very easy to fix them. I plan to fill those awful-looking holes completely with sheet styrene from the inside, and some Milliput from the outside, just in order to etch 'em again like they look like on Harv's pic. Thinking whether or not the gauges will need some sort of Airscale instrument dials instead of just drilling, tho. Yeh, methinks... Cheers, Unc2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Uncle Uncool said: Hi Jean-Michel! Comment ça va, mon ami? Good to know that you fixed the problem with the CWS banana correction piece. How you did to misplace it in such a strange manner just goes over my skull . As Harvy said, the Air Systems/Oxygen gauges are okay with "they're" shape an placement under the wing root. It's the electric sockets that are all wrong but, thankfully enough, very easy to fix them. I plan to fill those awful-looking holes completely with sheet styrene from the inside, and some Milliput from the outside, just in order to etch 'em again like they look like on Harv's pic. Thinking whether or not the gauges will need some sort of Airscale instrument dials instead of just drilling, tho. Yeh, methinks... Cheers, Unc2 - Hi mate - I'm still O.K even if yesterday it was my 76th birthday, I fly now in the warbird category my friend....., war material was strongly built.... and I began a restoration program around the jaws ending in three monthes to allow me flying for another 10 years.......( I hope so).. - For the banana, I began removing what I thought the ventral part of the left half fuselage, it is only once done that I saw the forward openning was the one for the cockpit not the nose gear. Happily I could use the removed piece to set it in place again after a lot of piece of evergreen ,glue and putty and a sand sequence, it is difficult to notice the damage, structure line excepted....now I can begin the painting process...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 2/6/2020 at 3:34 PM, IPMS19 said: - Hi mate - I'm still O.K even if yesterday it was my 76th birthday, I fly now in the warbird category my friend....., war material was strongly built.... and I began a restoration program around the jaws ending in three monthes to allow me flying for another 10 years.......( I hope so).. -.now I can begin the painting process...... Happy birthday Jean-Michel!! 🎂 All the best and many more flying and especially modelling years hope you will be showing some photos eventually! You can also use this thread here if you like I'd be more than interested !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 7:59 AM, harvy5 said: Hi Werner, nice build. But I have a question. Didn't aftermarkets cost more than a model? 😎 All bomb racks are the same as Su-24, BD3-57 for fighter bombers.Flare dispensers are modified from Su-24. Su-22M-4 has limited speed to M 1.7 and therefore has a fixed shock cone. Therefore, the top anti pumping doors are always open inwards. In Syria Su-22 in combination with 8 bomb racks usually used ODAB-500 bombs(Masive Exploding AB). Edit:Su-22M3/4 haven't landing light under left wing!It's only for Su-17/M and M-2. KH Su-22 is realy poo-poo.It's mix all versions Su-17/22. And L and R ailerons are deflected +3 degrees up. Hi Harvy, thanks for the extensive info! regarding the bombs: these ones? which exactly? https://the48ers.com/advancedsearch/result/?q=+ODAB-500 regarding the pylons: I found those, but for helicopters: https://www.scalemates.com/de/kits/reskit-rs48-0153-bd3-57-krv-racks-mi-8-mi-24-6-pcs--1233022 and those: https://www.scalemates.com/de/kits/reskit-rs48-0160-bd3-usk-racks-su-24-27-30-33-34-35-6-pcs--1233027 but they are pointy and not the same ones as for the Su-22 I am a bit confused unfortunately! thanks for pointers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 5 hours ago, exdraken said: I am a bit confused unfortunately! Yeh, me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Weeeeeeeeerrrneeeeeeeeerr... where's our luv... (sunk in silent contemplation of those eyes) Been procrastinating on yer Fitter build, have you? Yeh, you have... Cheers, Unc2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Hi Werner and Uncle! Racks.For helicopters are better. But you must cutting rack from pylon. Su-24 and newer types Soviet aircafts have shorter bomb pylons. Bombs are typ ODAB-500PMV.If I remember correctly , explosion's setting is at 50m for used in cities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 4 hours ago, harvy5 said: Hi Werner and Uncle! Racks.For helicopters are better. But you must cutting rack from pylon. Hi Harvy! Okay, I appreciate yer input a helluva lot, brah. What specific brand of helicopter racks you recommend I buy? I've given up on waiting for Cold War Studios' ones. Yeh, me has... Cheers, Unc2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Uncle Uncool said: Hi Harvy! Okay, I appreciate yer input a helluva lot, brah. What specific brand of helicopter racks you recommend I buy? I've given up on waiting for Cold War Studios' ones. Yeh, me has... Cheers, Unc2 Hi Uncle! I replied to Werner. In his question are references to these racks and bombs. I had from Eduard,Aires or Quickboost. That was 9-10 years ago.. And 8 years ago I permanently left Slovakia and 95% accessories and models I sold. 😀😀😀 Edited February 23, 2020 by harvy5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 - Some news of my Su17 marred by the problem I've had with banana belly. It is in final approach thanks to my deputy technical adviser Miss VERA;. - Eventually I have some questionnement about the Hungarian scheme choosen on the HAD 48172 sporting the old national arrow insigna. I not sure Su 17/22 had ever carried these marking. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastien Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, IPMS19 said: - Some news of my Su17 marred by the problem I've had with banana belly. It is in final approach thanks to my deputy technical adviser Miss VERA;. - Eventually I have some questionnement about the Hungarian scheme choosen on the HAD 48172 sporting the old national arrow insigna. I not sure Su 17/22 had ever carried these marking. Hi, They did carry these markings: The problem is they didn't carry the right engine... Cheers, S. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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