exdraken Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Syrian Air Force as used by government troops for many controversial attacks during the still ongoing war in Syria ingredients: Kitty Hawk Su-17M4 CWS intake and belly correction Yahu cockpit PE Amigo Models Al-21F nozzle Master pitots and cannon barrels some decals, most likely Begemot for the MiG-25... did not think about the Su-22M3/M4 kit which would have had them directly... some references: https://falkeeinsgreatplanes.blogspot.com/2017/03/syrian-su-22-fitters-using-s-8-rockets.html https://en.muraselon.com/2019/08/syrian-air-force-su-22-goes-down-over-idlib-what-we-know-dont-know-so-far/ https://tass.com/world/1014686 https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201807251066679156-daesh-syria-israel-plane-pilot/ look at those flare dispensers... any idea where to source those from? first I though MiG-23MLD... but seem different in having 2 rows of cartridges... from the not so nice recieving end.. https://syria.liveuamap.com/de/2018/26-april-photos-of-the-syrian-su22-during-raid--- a small start: , nose section, to get a feeling for KH kits.... my first one... lets see! nice detail, complicated assembly.. that is for sure! PE maybe not that grey in natural light. highly detailed, very nice AL-21 nozzle! and a start on the cockpit, the K-36 seat (quite nice, with PE harness will be passable I guess!) more soon! cheers, Werner 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Noooiiiceee...!!! Following this one, Werner. Interesting the way you've started putting together the forward fuselage. Quite an assortment of aftermarket bits, some mandatory, some whimsical, shall I say? Yeh, I shall... Cheers, Unc2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 WOW. This I got to follow. So I'll pull up a chair and start taking note. /Bosse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Another cool project and what a gucci selection of aftermarket bling. Those photos of the real thing are spectacular as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueFlyer Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Count me in with this, got a lot of the same kit in my stash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 ¿Dónde estás, Werner, mi hermano? No progress on yer build today? Well, here I wait, standing. Cheers, Unc2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 12:05 AM, Uncle Uncool said: ¿Dónde estás, Werner, mi hermano? No progress on yer build today? Well, here I wait, standing. Cheers, Unc2 si insistes.... some progress to report cockpit work: and thoughts on the replacement intake shock cone from CWS: On 1/9/2020 at 1:07 AM, Uncle Uncool said: Interesting the way you've started putting together the forward fuselage. no, just dry fitting.... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aigore Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Nice A healthy ammount of aftermarket too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reini Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) Brilliant! Fitter is such a mean (was: bad-bottom) looking aircraft! Nice amount of aftermarket and that scheme is looking great. Will be following with interest Edited January 12, 2020 by reini Forum doesn't like a synonym for 'bottom' that starts with an 'a'... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, exdraken said: si insistes.... Sí, sí claro que insisto, ¡y mucho! Impressive work on that cockpit. I should try those Yahu bits. 15 hours ago, exdraken said: and thoughts on the replacement intake shock cone from CWS: Me thinks that the CWS intake shock cones are better than HAD's in that they mask the nose landing gear wheel bay inside the intake. You could see the edges of the plastic wheel bay with the HAD bit. Also, you've got the auxiliary intake door arms with the CWS bit. Or do you fear that the aft upper part in the CWS might interfere with the IP coaming part in the kit? Nice work, Werner. Cheers, Unc2 Edited January 12, 2020 by Uncle Uncool Wheel bay is not the same as well bay... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Uncle Uncool said: Impressive work on that cockpit. I should try those Yahu bits. Me thinks that the CWS intake shock cones are better than HAD's in that they mask the nose landing gear wheel bay inside the intake. You could see the edges of the plastic wheel bay with the HAD bit. Also, you've got the auxiliary intake door arms with the CWS bit. Or do you fear that the aft upper part in the CWS might interfere with the IP coaming part in the kit? Gracias Unc! The Yaho IP looks really great, about the side consoles I am not that sure... the basic plastic cockpit parts, although ledd detail, have more depth..... The CWS intake looks great I think, I never had a HAD one.... was always ou of stock until the CWS one reached me also already some time ago.... regarding fit, I think CWS used available space quite well. Still fits just just..... some alignment locator pins hav to be removed.... will definitely be a challenge to close nicely... no problem with the coaming and cockpit, the gear bay moved in the photo, sorry that is how all looks when pressed together with my mighty fingers.... that is all for today folks! thanks everybody for your interest 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 hours ago, exdraken said: The CWS intake looks great I think, I never had a HAD one.... was always ou of stock until the CWS one reached me also already some time ago.... Indeed! The CWS bit looks weekend. Well, HAD's one ain't bad, but the lenght goes back only halfways compared to yers; here: Got mine as soon as it came out, but then when I learnt about Stenka's I couldn't but think that I HAD been HAD! I'm quite sure you've already seen how the HAD piece looks inside the kit fuselage once installed, yeh: The sides of both the cockpit tub and nose landing gear well can be easily seen behind the HAD bit, but I think I could extend the length of my HAD bit a little further back, or perhaps I'll just order one CWS bit along when Stenka finally releases his wing pylons for this kit. Any idea when this is going to happen? Taking a bit longer now. Incidentally; was thinking about the day before yesterday, when I was tipsy; what sort of music rocks Werner boat? Yeh, whut is it...? Cheers, Unc2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 1:48 AM, Uncle Uncool said: Indeed! The CWS bit looks weekend. Well, HAD's one ain't bad, but the lenght goes back only halfways compared to yers; here: ok, I see: CWS vs KH .... ... .. . starting to look ok rear fuselage. speedbrakes only fit regularly well... hardly ever they can be seen open on real planes.... that's it for tonight! cheers, Werner 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Great so far werner, and you lnclude an aftermarket must have list, that i can copy down and start bying for mine 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) Very good work on "they're" CWS nose shock cone, Werner. One look to that awful piece on the kit-provided part, and it always reminds me of Matt's comment on his build review on D00g's Models: "Really...?" Shut up, compressor... I'm going to give Stenka a nudge to see what's with "they're" pylons for this kit and the new MiG-23ML nose cone correction bit for the Trumpy kit. Just received "they're" XMM 1/48 resin intake trunks for the ICM Foxbat kit, which are a close fit for the Kitty Hawk one! Might as well buy Stenka's ventral strakes + parachute release mechanism for it. Oh, "they're", "they're", "they're"... sometimes I wonder whether it's too much for you blokes to read me like that all the time, y'know. It's sort of an OCD now. Will have to drop it, somehow. Yeh, me will... Cheers, Unc2 PS: Building the lower speed brakes partially dropped on mine, as if a minor hydraulic power loss had occurred after engine shutdown. Edited January 15, 2020 by Uncle Uncool Can't we say D-O-O-G's on this joint now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Uncle Uncool said: PS: Building the lower speed brakes partially dropped on mine, as if a minor hydraulic power loss had occurred after engine shutdown. for good reason... the fit of they're speedbrakes leaves to B desired... 2 hours ago, Uncle Uncool said: I'm going to give Stenka a nudge to see what's with "they're" pylons for this kit yeah... I guess I will have to cope without them.... on the last Fitter I did (KP) I modified the Eduard one they offerd for the MiG-29/Su-27 B-8m1 rocket pod installation ... not perfect, but well detailed on the other hand: time to say good bye to the open front fuselage and its ingredients! the fuselage halfs need some force and patience to stay closed. the CWS shock-cone was not really glued in, did not bother, as it stays by itself..... and centered as well! I am not fully following the instructions here, not KH not CWS in respect to the belly insert... we will see how this turns out! Edited January 15, 2020 by exdraken 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Quite a job of luv there, my mate! 26 minutes ago, exdraken said: the CWS shock-cone was not really glued in, did not bother, as it stays by itself..... and centered as well! If both fuselage halves happened not to be glued together yet, you might try to secure the CWS intake shock cone bit to at least one side of the fuselage halves, by using a slow-curing bonder such as two-part epoxy so as to adjust the centered location of it before gluing both fuselage halves rather permanently. To leave the intake shock cone correction bit alone, free inside the tube, that is, would be like leaving an anxious hamster inside his/her wheel taking for granted they won't make it spin, all of the sudden. 27 minutes ago, exdraken said: I am not fully following the instructions here, not KH not CWS in respect to the belly insert... we will see how this turns out! Gambler... Take care with the fitting of the nose landing gear strut after having completed the NLG wheel bay, as it's a nightmare to try and fit it afterwards, I heard. Yeh, me did... Cheers, Unc2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 11:18 PM, Uncle Uncool said: Gambler... Take care with the fitting of the nose landing gear strut after having completed the NLG wheel bay, as it's a nightmare to try and fit it afterwards I added the small retractor? strut already.. hope the main one will be easy to fix later... today some cutting and dryfitting of the belly insert.. looks quite ok, some more filing and it should work... feels and looks a bit like a jig-saw 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Wow... just wow... Went to the Bottle-O to get me some pints of India Pale Ales for the evening, and when the vendor asked what I wanted, I went like: "Wow... just wow...", thinking about your build, so the vendor answered the request of the bloke who was queuing behind me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Uncle Uncool said: Went to the Bottle-O to get me some pints of India Pale Ales for the evening, only Austrian beer here, cheers! and superglue... not much will be seen unfortunatly: my plan is to close everything at once... not exactly Stenka's recommendation, but it looks like it will work.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 2 hours ago, exdraken said: only Austrian beer here, cheers! And it should be awesome! Only one that I get down here is Ottakringer's (spelling, yeh?). Any others you'd suggest? Cheers, Werner. About to be tipsy on IPAs here. Just finished off my second pint - two more pints to go (hic!). 2 hours ago, exdraken said: not much will be seen unfortunatly: I'll save the front compressor face and most of what follows behind it, as it's really useless once the fuselages are glued together. Will just use the kit parts up to the flame holder. Those Amigo Models bits look darn good. Remember that there should be a couple milimetres recess between the engine shrowd and the exhaust ring. The exhaust ring protrudes from the engine shrowd in the kit - dunno how it is with "they're" Amigo Models bits Wish there was a stronger option for the main landing gear tho. Build's looking weekend, Werner, my mate! Yeh, it is... (hold my beer) Unc2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, Uncle Uncool said: And it should be awesome! Only one that I get down here is Ottakringer's (spelling, yeh?). Any others you'd suggest? I'll save the front compressor face and most of what follows behind it, as it's really useless once the fuselages are glued together. Will just use the kit parts up to the flame holder. Those Amigo Models bits look darn good. Remember that there should be a couple milimetres recess between the engine shrowd and the exhaust ring. The exhaust ring protrudes from the engine shrowd in the kit - dunno how it is with "they're" Amigo Models bits Wish there was a stronger option for the main landing gear tho. Ottakringer, vale... Gösser Export maybe you could get, from my home country Styria yeah, the nozzles needs to be mounted a bit deeper (6, 7 mm) , but that of course makes it less visible there is nothing to mount the Amigo parts to, so I improvised and cut up the kit's engine, used it as mount... gives at least some surface to glue the resin to ..... landing gear? there is always (I assume) the great SAC option... for the MiG-23 a new manufacturer produces quite expensive, but hopefully better and stand corrected stuff.... hope to use it soon as well .... but no luck for the Fitter... https://the48ers.com/catalogsearch/advanced/result/?description=&manufacturer[0]=1246&manufacturer_code=&name=&p=2&price[from]=&price[to]=&sku= closed it is, and not too bad! I did not forget the nozzle. but need to position it a bit more centrally.... (but how ....) Edited January 18, 2020 by exdraken 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0viking0 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) On 1/8/2020 at 11:36 PM, exdraken said: look at those flare dispensers... any idea where to source those from? first I though MiG-23MLD... but seem different in having 2 rows of cartridges... These flare dispensers are in fact modules. They come in different calibre of cartriges. They are the same for MiG-23 versions, and Su-22. But 23's can carry 2 of these modules, while Su-22 carries 3. Here you can see that some modules were painted in MiG-23 colors - obviously taken from another planes. Edited January 21, 2020 by 0viking0 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 3 hours ago, exdraken said: Gösser Export maybe you could get, from my home country Styria I've seen this brand down here somewhere, methinks... Will try to find out. Ostyria, huh? Like in The Lord Of The Rings? Rohiri...!! 3 hours ago, exdraken said: landing gear? there is always (I assume) the great SAC option... for the MiG-23 a new manufacturer produces quite expensive, but hopefully better and stand corrected stuff.... hope to use it soon as well .... but no luck for the Fitter... https://the48ers.com/catalogsearch/advanced/result/?description=&manufacturer[0]=1246&manufacturer_code=&name=&p=2&price[from]=&price[to]=&sku= I didn't have good results with SAC - my Monogram 1/48 Thud is still complaining she's got no proper legs. What's with these Wind-Up ones? Are they white metal as well? No love for the Fitter, but I recently bought G-Factor's ones, which are real tough by comparison. They're made of brass, and I made a stress test with ones for the Trumpy 1/48 F-106. It took a helluva lot of force for the axle to break. I know I've got the piccy somewhere. 3 hours ago, exdraken said: I'm happy that the correction bit by Stenka fixes the issue with the banana pretty well. It's looking awesome already. 3 hours ago, exdraken said: I did not forget the nozzle. but need to position it a bit more centrally.... (but how ....) Judging by the slot on the lower right part of that piccy, the nozzle needs to be adjusted to the starboard, right? How about trying to move towards the right with a tiny screwdriver or a piece of wire to see how much the nozzle can be moved? Don't exert force on the exhaust ring but more deep. If you're not going to drop the lower speedbrakes, I'd make a hole inside the airbrake well and see if I can push the nozzle to the desired position. Maybe you could fix it in that position permanently by sticking a piece of plastic rod or stretched sprue with cyano so as to hold the nozzle in that direction. Cheers, Unc2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) Not going to open the airbrakes again. Some plastic rod and your screwdriver trick will do hopefully! Edited January 19, 2020 by exdraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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