Tony Edmundson Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 20 minutes ago, Wez said: Sorry Tony, but that's no excuse not to pass your knowledge on. Better to pass the information on rather than bellyache about things later. I did pass on a note on their FB page under the thread of the Sabre, a couple weeks ago. Tony 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 27 minutes ago, Tony Edmundson said: I did pass on a note on their FB page under the thread of the Sabre, a couple weeks ago. Tony Good, I get really annoyed when those who have knowledge AND are in a position to pass it on don't do so, then bellyache on incessantly about something they potentially could have put paid to. Thank you for your contribution. Should they choose to ignore it, that's another thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Sprue shots today from Airfix https://www.airfix.com/uk-en/news/workbench/sabre-parts-first-look-exclusive?utm_campaign=2777246_Airfix - Workbench - Week 25 2020%2F2021&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Hornby PLC&_%24ja=tsid%3A71284&dm_i=2DJZ,1NIXQ,22YU0X,5LWY6,1 Nice to see someone inally mentioing its role in RAF History as it seems to have been pretty much airbrushed out by a lot of people along with other US types operated post war, the Washington being another. Julien 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Judging by those wing sprue imagines I’d say that ‘finally’ we are going to get an OOB slated Sabre, however not with this first boxing. Change that upper wing sprue over for a slatted one and we should be in for a real treat. Still a few years off by the look of it, however we been waiting this long haven’t we! Cheers.. Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Rabbit Leader said: Judging by those wing sprue imagines I’d say that ‘finally’ we are going to get an OOB slated Sabre, however not with this first boxing. Change that upper wing sprue over for a slatted one and we should be in for a real treat. Still a few years off by the look of it, however we been waiting this long haven’t we! Cheers.. Dave Airfix have no plans for a slatted Sabre, told by no less than the person who helped them develop this. Its sad and not a great marketing decision in my book, and other peoples but there you go. Maybe if Aiifix read these things they might realise there is a market out there for it. Until then one of the atermarket guys will have to step in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 31 minutes ago, Julien said: Airfix have no plans for a slatted Sabre, told by no less than the person who helped them develop this. Well if that’s the case (and I don’t doubt you Julian) then I am bitterly disappointed. If that Wing breakdown is designed just for some aftermarket guy to take more money from me, then I’m not interested in this kit whatsoever. The still serviceable Academy kit will just have to do. Cheers.. Dave (who actually thought Airfix had a smart Marketing department!) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky boy Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 That looks very nice. As said above it’s such a shame just to rule out a slatted wing version. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 The way that Airfix have moulded separate leading edges and the tips and ailerons together suggests to me that if they’re not doing a slatted wing they’re scheming an extended span F-86F-40 version instead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CplPunishment Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 So disappointed. Being an aging Brit-modeller I really want to support Airfix, but no slats = no purchase. I have 'fenced' Sabres in the stash already. Gutted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Note the two seat options...😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Julien said: Airfix have no plans for a slatted Sabre, told by no less than the person who helped them develop this. Its sad and not a great marketing decision in my book, and other peoples but there you go. @Sabrejet in fact. 5 hours ago, Julien said: Maybe if Aiifix read these things they might realise there is a market out there for it. Airfix DO read here, I doubt they have time to read everything, but they know there are very knowledgeable members here, and they do look at what goes on, and do ask for information and help as well, hence asking @Sabrejet, who would have told them there is no slatted wing kit of an early F or E, and that is what you should do. Ironically they are now reboxing some Academy armour kit, and Academy do a pretty decent 1/48th F-86F-30 already... Problem is , Airfix are not Eduard, a specialist model firm, but a section of a bigger company, Hornby, and while Airfix division make money, Hornby are in debt. Anyway, I think that Airfix are in some ways hamstrung by this, and get constraints put upon them by the larger parent group that are not 'logical' from the perspective of a specialist model company, like getting 'cheap' moulding done in India, with attendant problems of quality control, and what seems on occasion to be a lack of dotting the i's and crossing the t's, small missing detail on the Hunter for example. Or not taking advantage of research and small additions to existing tooling, or planning tooling in a certain way, look at the Spitfire XIV, they do the low back, and even though they only then needed to tool up a new fuselage, some internals and canopy parts, they say they have no intention. Or not doing a Spitfire Vc based on the Vb and Mk.I tooling, as this is already set up with separate wing trees. But, not doing a slatted wing Sabre is a poor move, as that would have bumped up sales assuming they got it right, especially in North America, both the USA, and Canada, given Canada built and operated slatted wing version, ( I'd be interested to know how much of the 1/24th Hellcat run ended up in the US, quite a chunk I suspect) And, they would have still had the RAF option, as well as numerous Korean schemes, for which there is no OOB kit... Still, despite the statement they won't do a slatted wing, it does look like the tooling is set up that you could just do a new tree for a possible slatted wing, note the lower wing has no leading edges, and the upper wing is a separate tree If nothing else it appears to make an aftermarket slatted wing a lot easier, as you can build onto the existing kit lower wing, meaning less parts and possibly a drop fit replacement? (so easier and cheaper hopefully) I'm sure those more knowledgeable in Sabre detail could conform if i'm spouting cobblers here. I'll @Sabrejet and @Tony Edmundson here so they can laugh at my wild assumptions.... One other thing that strikes me, what reason is there for a cut out section in front of the fin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) Cut out in front of the fin gives you the ability to do F-86E/Sabre 4 or F-86F. There are parts visible which give a hint of what's to come. I shall leave it to you lot to work out, but it shouldn't be too difficult. Also you'd have to ask yourself why you'd put the pitot probe on the 6-3 wing sprue... Edited September 18, 2020 by Sabrejet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Oooh... Those wingtip sink marks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas V. Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) This is budget tooling at its best, Mk.4's had slatted wings-most prominent feature, so in 2020 Airfix cannot go the same route Promodeler/Revell did with their F-86D - 22 years ago, congrats, truely well thought effort, no flaps and no slats on a 1/48 scale kit, not to mention panel lines...spirit of Matchbox found its new home, sorry guys but as I have soft spot for Sabres -this equals my dissapointment in Zvezda's new Mi-24V. This should be Series 5 or 6 kit-at best. Edited September 18, 2020 by Thomas V. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 ...or put another way, a new 1/48 Sabre, which has a number of useful options, won't break the bank and will be very popular. Might even encourage some new blood to the hobby. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wilson Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, Bjorn said: Oooh... Those wingtip sink marks... It's a test shot and besides, they'll take five minutes to get rid of if they're still there in the production kit. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas V. Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, Sabrejet said: ...or put another way, a new 1/48 Sabre, which has a number of useful options, won't break the bank and will be very popular. Might even encourage some new blood to the hobby. As Series 8 is an entry level kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Molding the ailerons with the wingtips is odd, any reason for that? BTW I'm terrible with hints (and Sabre minutiae), if somebody does know what might come afterwards, do let us know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, Thomas V. said: This should be Series 5 or 6 kit-at best. 100% Agree, for what Series 8 kit prices are going for these days, it’s hard to justify outplaying the additional money for a few optional and novel items. Throw in the missing Slat wing parts and it becomes a lot more tempting. I can see myself at my LHS in a few moths time tossing up between this new Sabre kit and Zvezda’s 1/72 Hercules. Something tells me that the RRP for both kits won’t be much different! Cheers.. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEXANTOMCAT Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Surely the Sabre will be Hunter prices so £35ish Max? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Airfix have it on their website at £32.99, Series 8 https://www.airfix.com/uk-en/shop/aircraft/canadair-sabre-f4.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAT69 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Sabrejet said: Note the two seat options...😉 Is that second seat supposed to be representative of a Martin-Baker seat? If so, I believe the Germans were the first and perhaps only air force to use them, in Mk 6 Sabres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAT69 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Sabrejet said: Cut out in front of the fin gives you the ability to do F-86E/Sabre 4 or F-86F. There are parts visible which give a hint of what's to come. I shall leave it to you lot to work out, but it shouldn't be too difficult. Also you'd have to ask yourself why you'd put the pitot probe on the 6-3 wing sprue... Went looking for pictures. It appears the pitot probe is located more inboard of the wing tip on non-slatted Sabres and closer to the wing tip on slatted Sabres. I'm open to education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAT69 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 The Sabre 6, for most of the production, had slats on a 6-3 wing and no wing fences; didn't have the wing tip extensions the F-86F-40 had. Separate pitot probe and presence of what appear to be Martin Baker seats points to a possible Mk 6 Sabre coming our way. Again, open to education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, SAT69 said: Is that second seat supposed to be representative of a Martin-Baker seat? If so, I believe the Germans were the first and perhaps only air force to use them, in Mk 6 Sabres. Quite a few Ex Luftwaffe Sabre 6s ended up in Pakistan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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