Rabbit Leader Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I was really hoping for a Korean War F-86A/E boxing with some cool USAF aces and SAAF ‘Flying Cheetah’ decals. This would sit nicely with their 1/48 F-51D, Meteor 8, Seafire F.47 and Sea Fury kits... wait, I’d better stop playing Airfix Marketing Manager and stick to my boring day job. 😞 Cheers.. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 It’s a new tool Sabre in 1/48 scale and probably at a very attractive price. Rejoice. You want slats? Someone is probably tooling up a conversion. I need a companion to my GA.11. Trevor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, SAT69 said: Is that second seat supposed to be representative of a Martin-Baker seat? If so, I believe the Germans were the first and perhaps only air force to use them, in Mk 6 Sabres. Yes. And not quite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 55 minutes ago, Rabbit Leader said: I was really hoping for a Korean War F-86A/E boxing with some cool USAF aces and SAAF ‘Flying Cheetah’ decals. This would sit nicely with their 1/48 F-51D, Meteor 8, Seafire F.47 and Sea Fury kits... wait, I’d better stop playing Airfix Marketing Manager and stick my boring day job. 😞 Cheers.. Dave The kit would make up into a 6-3 winged SAAF F-86F without much effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, Sabrejet said: The kit would make up into a 6-3 winged SAAF F-86F without much effort. Thanks Duncan, do you know how many of these hard winged Sabres were operated by the SAAF during the Korean War? Most of the photos I’ve come across show slatted winged Sabres. Cheers.. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, Rabbit Leader said: do you know how many of these hard winged Sabres were operated by the SAAF during the Korean War? Most of the photos I’ve come across show slatted winged Sabres. this has been discussed somewhere, On 30/11/2018 at 21:57, 72modeler said: I have attached a link I just found with some outstanding photos of No. 2 Sq. SAAF Sabres in Korea and there is a photo whose caption states that there was only one No. 2 Sq Sabre (Lady of Lorette) that had the 6-3 wing, but it had no slats. Might the photo that I posted be a later Sabre 6 with the slatted 6-3 wing, and so not truly representative of a Korean War No, 2 Sq. F-86F, but is painted to represent one? What do you think? Maybe @Sabrejet can help us? I do love the F-51D's and F-86F's that the Springboks flew in Korea- beautiful airplanes and aggressively flown by veteran pilots! Mike http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7069&start=0 from the link "622 Q 52-4572 LADY OF LORETTE, named by Capt. J. R. Morris - August 1953. Was the only Sabre in the SAAF that had the 6"-3" wing aka as "hard wing". It had an increased wing area, a fence and did away with the slats." so, from this, the answer is one. But not my speciality, so happy to be corrected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Edmundson Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 6 hours ago, SAT69 said: Is that second seat supposed to be representative of a Martin-Baker seat? If so, I believe the Germans were the first and perhaps only air force to use them, in Mk 6 Sabres. Norway ?? and the separate wing tips are a hint of something else. Tony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Edmundson Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Sabrejet said: The kit would make up into a 6-3 winged SAAF F-86F without much effort. there seems to be a separate panel ahead of the fin where that raised vent is located on the 'F' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vingtor Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 7 hours ago, SAT69 said: Is that second seat supposed to be representative of a Martin-Baker seat? If so, I believe the Germans were the first and perhaps only air force to use them, in Mk 6 Sabres. Norwegian Sabres were also fitted with Martin Baker seats. As well as slatted 6-3 wings..... Nils 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCZ Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 In 33Ł was a little expensive... Academy have very similar config (gun bays, and have an engine and trolley), Hasegawa have crispies details and in last Eduard L.E. nice decals, P.E. and resin. I know, this is a another version, but price tag around 25Ł was better... So, i see. Sabre is one of my beloved aircraft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAT69 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 On 9/18/2020 at 11:28 PM, Tony Edmundson said: and the separate wing tips are a hint of something else. Block 40 F-86F perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABeck Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Version --- slatted - clean ---- long span - short ---- 6-3 - normal chord ---- operator F-86 X4 x x x Timbuktistan AF Dear experts, would like to see a table like this one Cheers Andreas Beck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treker_ed Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, ABeck said: Version --- slatted - clean ---- long span - short ---- 6-3 - normal chord ---- operator F-86 X4 x x x Timbuktistan AF Dear experts, would like to see a table like this one Cheers Andreas Beck This isn't a hard and fast rule.....! Some (from what I have read and vaguely remember at the back of my mind) were also re-winged. I also seem to remember somewhere on the web, a series of pictures describing the various types of wings used on Sabres. (found one on a PC flight sim web site - https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=226525 - scroll down to the image about half way down the page, also this one which also mentions about the re-winging of earlier models with the new wing types : https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=129670) And here's the link on a BM thread that I remembered: I am sure @Sabrejet would be able to explain this a lot better that I can being a mere amateur - and with a bit more detailed analysis than I can provide. Edited September 20, 2020 by treker_ed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 2 hours ago, treker_ed said: I also seem to remember somewhere on the web, a series of pictures describing the various types of wings used on Sabres You mean like this? John 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Hugo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/19/2020 at 1:17 AM, Rabbit Leader said: Thanks Duncan, do you know how many of these hard winged Sabres were operated by the SAAF during the Korean War? Most of the photos I’ve come across show slatted winged Sabres. Cheers.. Dave Exactly one, and AFAIK never used in combat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 15 hours ago, ABeck said: Version --- slatted - clean ---- long span - short ---- 6-3 - normal chord ---- operator F-86 X4 x x x Timbuktistan AF I never knew the Timbuktistan Air Force flew the Sabre! Sorry. Hat, coat etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Truro Model Builder said: I never knew the Timbuktistan Air Force flew the Sabre! Sorry. Hat, coat etc. Still the version is unclear..., and if they were ever re-winged before the brake-up of the country in.... Looking forward to the Airfix offering! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/18/2020 at 11:09 PM, Max Headroom said: You want slats? Someone is probably tooling up a conversion. Someone form Airfix was hinting on a FB thread that this wasn't the only wing option tooled - and the parts break down would point to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 21 hours ago, John Thompson said: You mean like this? John And many RAF mk 4 aircraft had the second type as well (either retrofitted or factory fitted) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 36 minutes ago, Dave Fleming said: Someone form Airfix was hinting on a FB thread that this wasn't the only wing option tooled - and the parts break down would point to that. But somewhere else on this thread was the comment that Airfix weren’t going to do a slatted wing, hence my comment! Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Some confusion and repetition here: F-40 wing is slatted and would be a second option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithjs Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I'm sure it's obvious to some but looking at those wing plans does it mean I can build the Canadian Mk.2 on the new new Xtradecal sheet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, keithjs said: I'm sure it's obvious to some but looking at those wing plans does it mean I can build the Canadian Mk.2 on the new new Xtradecal sheet? No - you'd need the vee-screen and no-one does that yet. Ditto narrow-chord wings. One day, in a land far, far away, someone will do separate tail sections to give us F-86A options and then the vee-screen and narrow-chord wings to go with it so we can do A, E and the Canadair Sabre 2s. It would be a best-seller. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithjs Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Sabrejet said: No - you'd need the vee-screen and no-one does that yet. Ditto narrow-chord wings. One day, in a land far, far away, someone will do separate tail sections to give us F-86A options and then the vee-screen and narrow-chord wings to go with it so we can do A, E and the Canadair Sabre 2s. It would be a best-seller. See, I knew it wasn't that simple...Firstly, whats a vee-screen? and those drawings show narrow cord wings are fitted to Mk1-4. The one I want to do is a Mk.2....but you say they don't have narrow cord wings which if the Airfix kit is actually a Mk.4 they should have them..? Sorry to be a pain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, keithjs said: See, I knew it wasn't that simple...Firstly, whats a vee-screen? and those drawings show narrow cord wings are fitted to Mk1-4. The one I want to do is a Mk.2....but you say they don't have narrow cord wings which if the Airfix kit is actually a Mk.4 they should have them..? Sorry to be a pain... The vee-screen is the vee-shaped windshield fitted to F-86A, early F-86E and Sabres 1 and 2. The side screens are also different, so it's not as simple as putting a vee-shaped addition onto an F-86F windshield. Most Sabre 4s had narrow-chord, slatted wings from manufacture but the last few incorporated the 6-3 wing without slats. Then many RAF Sabre 4s were modified to have the 6-3 wing after entry into service. All those which were transferred to the USAF (including those subsequently scrapped) were brought up to 6-3 standard and so Italian and Yugoslav Sabre 4s have 6-3 wings, as do Honduran (ex-Yugoslav) Sabre 4s. In summary, Sabre 4s can have both wings. RCAF Sabre 2s have narrow-chord wings! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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