CedB Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Nice chairs Adrian, great job 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I agree with Ced. I had exactly the same issue on my train build - I had to make about 16 chairs. I used 2 part resin for the chairs - it can be demolded in less than 10 minutes for simple shapes. Just mixed a few drops at a time and worked my way through the batch might be worth considering resin as a medium? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 hour ago, hendie said: might be worth considering resin as a medium? I might well order some. I checked the garage but my old resin has definitely died! Regards, Adrian PS nice chairs and tablecloths! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busnproplinerfan Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I used smooth-on before. It's really good but has a short shelf life once opened so you have to use it. I picked up some 1:1 Alumilite which can sit for long periods before it's mixed. Unfortunatly it's a bit more pricey but pays for itself. I'll have to get the rubber you used, would be good for quick parts that I don't need molds for years from now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 As resin I am using such Polish glue, which fixes after 24 hours and has low viscosity. When fixed (an mixed in right proportions) is hard, not elastic. Machanical properies are similar to polistyrene. I can expect that it is not easily available outside Poland. Adrian, whould you like some for trials? J-W 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 Thank you all for the inputs. I know my local B+Q doesn’t have anything better on a Sunday so I’ve been pressing ahead with Milliput: It’s a bit more flexible than Isopon so I’ve pressed ahead making my first six seats, with a Mercury or three, an Elmer, and a fix to a dishwasher tray wheel (not illustrated): De-flashing, assembling and painting the chairs has been an enjoyable, if lengthy, process. I have found that I can replace the super-thin lever guide at the front with a sliver of plastic strip glued to the side of the chair, which will improve my reject rate for the next nine or ten (I will need spares!). Two not-completely-random thoughts struck me this afternoon: (1) @Moa may well be on to something; if I had invested in a simple jig (card with a slot) to help cut my framework pieces instead of moulding them, I wonder if I couldn’t have made as many or more frameworks today. (2) I do a lot of non-business business travelling, and when I lay out the seats without the plan to guide me, they are always much closer together. I have been successfully conditioned! 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 7 hours ago, JWM said: such Polish glue Jerzy, I tried a UK epoxy resin glue and it wasn’t a happy experience, so I’m going to stick to Milliput and resin when it arrives. Thanks, Adrian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 Interestingly, I haven’t seen a single interior picture In my S23 travels that shows seatbelts... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markh-75 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, AdrianMF said: Jerzy, I tried a UK epoxy resin glue and it wasn’t a happy experience, so I’m going to stick to Milliput and resin when it arrives. Thanks, Adrian Better going with what you know if other things dont quite work out, i say. I have plenty to do just making kits, I love the involvement the detail i can add and i love to see them come on. At times, even with kits i can lose heart just a little if something doesnt quite work out; i just stick it on the back-burner for a bit now and come back later. Sometimes things NEED that time away. What you are doing is a fabulous task, labour intensive, but quite splendid, i dont know if i'd have the patience for that, but; each to his own! Carry on with a cracking job! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busnproplinerfan Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I tried epoxy in mold rubber and it worked ok, Keep forgetting about milliputty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorby Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 10 hours ago, busnproplinerfan said: I picked up some 1:1 Alumilite Careful where you use it - god it smells bad, and the smell lingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busnproplinerfan Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Gorby said: Careful where you use it - god it smells bad, and the smell lingers. Ya it does smell a bit, my biggest problem is after it's mixed,I get an itchy eye or I forget to tie my hair off the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Cracking work Adrian - love the clarity of the cockpit transparency too. Beautiful moulding work all round. 👏 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 hour ago, AdrianMF said: ) @Moa may well be on to something; It wasn't my comment, I think. Going great, be the way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 Moa, not exactly, but you said: On 08/02/2020 at 17:17, Moa said: I am not friendly with resin and molds, and am stuck with the repetitious work. That’s what got me wondering how friendly I was with my own flaky breaky castings. So I made myself a jig: You push the rod or strip into the slot as far as it will go, then cut it clean off at the edge of the card. Eight sides made and assembled pretty quickly: So I will do another run like that and cast up the seats and backs in car filler, which is super quick and has a high success rate. With the pair of cast sides, that gives me my 16! If I’d done this yesterday it would all be done now... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, AdrianMF said: I am not friendly with resin and molds, and am stuck with the repetitious work. Will not work for what I had to do yesterday (friends over for dinner): 13 minutes ago, AdrianMF said: So I will do another run like that and cast up the seats and backs in car filler, which is super quick and has a high success rate. That was a wonderful solution. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Moa said: dinner Mmmmm. Two different fillings too! And now we are ten: 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 There should be safety belts around 1940 in "normal airliners" mostly due to turbulences: https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/39537/when-did-airlines-start-using-seat-belts-for-passengers However the turbulences in heavy flying boats were maybe less dangerous since it seems that safty belts were absent Short Empire: Boeing Clipper Martin M130 Dornier Do-X (looks like mavable chairs!) Sikorsky S43 Baby Clipper Sikorsky S 42 If you do not see it on photos you can skip safety belts for passangers... Cheers J-W 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Not a single photo of the S.23 seats I have shows a belt. If I may, the NACA report on the Empire, for those interested; it can be downloaded: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930090518.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Very nice work Adrian - great idea for the jig too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, CedB said: jig I was surprised how quick and easy it was, also how well it worked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Moa said: NACA report A very interesting read. I haven’t seen it before so thanks for posting the link. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busnproplinerfan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 When you're done with those seats, can you make a complete set for my A380 sardine class? ha ha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody37 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Thoroughly enjoying this Adrian. I picked up the Haynes manual for the s23 recently and it’s a great read, highly recommended if anyone is interested in this era. I’ve got the CMR resin kit in the stash and your build is a great motivation to dig it out. those chairs look great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastiano Tringali Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 12 hours ago, AdrianMF said: Mmmmm. Two different fillings too! And now we are ten: Great job, I have done the same thing on my Lancastrian but I've made a master of a couple of seats and after many resin copies. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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