John Aero Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I need to find some information on the dimensions and colours of the interwar Bombs as carried by Hawker two seaters Hart/Hind, such as the 230lb,112lb.and the 20lb Cooper type. I have some info but to my dismay many gaps on bombs but lots on guns. I believe that most "peacetime" bombs were Yellow ochre as apposed to Green. Cheers John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I think I recall some discussion on this topic with text, drawings, and colors/markings...might have been posted by @Selwyn, IIRC. You might do a search for this. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 22 minutes ago, John Aero said: I believe that most "peacetime" bombs were Yellow ochre as apposed to Green. The colour, from posts on here, was Buff, and was the classic colour for munitions apparently, but as Mike say, the chap for this is @Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 There is quite a lot of that in this thread and despite the '40s reference in the first post, there is some useful stuff in this thread too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 https://new.vk.com/doc291171346_437369418?hash=dd5da33cc8b585bedb&dl=6e0da1db007a64fdd4 Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 Thank you gentlemen for all the replies. All the above replies are excellent. I had searched through some of my books (mainly WW.1) and I hadn't come up with much inter-war developed bombs. That is, until I was just leaving my studio library last night and I spotted a book that someone had borrowed and returned recently. It contained coloured dimensioned drawings of some of the stuff I need. Doh ! I must try harder. Cheers John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 hours ago, John Aero said: I must try harder. Take a break, John- you've done plenty for our hobby. Happy New Year and best wishes from Texas! Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 The best book I know of on British air-dropped weapons is Bombs Gone by Wg Cdr John A MacBean and Maj Arthur S Hogben (PSL, 1990) covering the period from 1912 to 1990. Not a great deal on the pre-WW2 period but it sounds as if during "the barren years 1918-39" (chapter title) the RAF continued using WW1 ordnance, sometimes with minor modifications, right up to the appearance of the underwhelming GP range just before WW2. The book has a number of what appear to be scale cross-section diagrams of WW1 ordnance (eg Bomb HE, RL 112lb Mks I and III and the 20 lb Cooper bomb) plus another diagram showing outlines of all the WWI weapons used in comparison with a (presumably 6') figure. But nary a dimension in sight. I expect you already have the book. If not, and you think it may help your researches, I'd be happy to send you a few scans. Drop me a PM if you do. ISTR a brief half-page article on interwar ordnance in an old copy of the old Aircraft Illustrated Quarterly but that might take a little more tracking down and it may only be deal with bomb colours rather than the bombs themselves. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 Thanks again. I sorted out all the dimensions and drawings I needed to complete some work and that has now gone off to my interested party. Cheers John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 While recently searching for something totally unrelated, I discovered The Provincial Archives of Alberta has put a fairly large number of their photos on Flickr. As I looked through them in my search, I found these. I don't know if they're of any use to you, but here they are. https://www.flickr.com/photos/alberta_archives/ Chris 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 I just noticed this addition. Thanks Chris. I did have some drawings of the Cooper and the 112 lb though the extra dimensions are useful to have. Cheers John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 My pleasure, John! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Starmer Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Prewar HE bombs were BS.58 Light Buff, which is slightly more yellow than Humbrol No. 7 of that name. The ordnance documents colour names are not specific, dark green might be OK for armourers but not enough modelwise now. Chemical containers i.e. smoke use is given as grey, but which grey? I read that this might have been BS.381: No.30 French Grey but not confirmed yet. I have been trying for years to discover the specification for colours on these armaments. They must exist because the different manufacturers would have had to use a common colour on their product. The Dark Green may have been BS.381: No. 23 Middle Bronze Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 Thank you for this addition. I've just caught up with it. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Hello all, These two bomb cases are on display at the Finnish Air Force Museum at Tikkakoski AB. I believe they were purchased together with Blenheim bombers and arrived Finland just before the war broke out. Cheers, Antti 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Nice find, Antti! Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 On 2/10/2020 at 10:21 AM, Mike Starmer said: Prewar HE bombs were BS.58 Light Buff, which is slightly more yellow than Humbrol No. 7 of that name. The ordnance documents colour names are not specific, dark green might be OK for armourers but not enough modelwise now. Chemical containers i.e. smoke use is given as grey, but which grey? I read that this might have been BS.381: No.30 French Grey but not confirmed yet. I have been trying for years to discover the specification for colours on these armaments. They must exist because the different manufacturers would have had to use a common colour on their product. The Dark Green may have been BS.381: No. 23 Middle Bronze Green. Mike, According to "INTER-SERVICE AMMUNITION AND AMMUNITION PACKAGE MARKINGS 1947 WO code 1803 " chemical bombs were painted BS 381c 632. The bombs were painted in Bs224 Deep bronze green. ( Previously known as AM 6). Although a postwar standard there would be no reason for colours to have changed from the prewar standard. I can furnish you with a copy if you wish. Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M. Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 And another two to add to the files: https://rnzaoc.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/interservice-ammunition-and-package-markings-1945.pdf https://rnzaoc.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/joint-services-ammunition-and-ammunition-package-markings-handbook-1964.pdf Similar stuff naturally, but one dated 1945 and the other 1964..should help. Cheers, Pete M. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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