fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 Starting now with the Encore/PM kit. The locating pins will self-misalign an area of the fuselage. Pins may need removal. Oh, those panel lines, much worse of what you may see in die-cast toy. Shall we call these toilet-able seats?: The resin ailerons, no gain here, don't even bother: Same for the resin elevator, actually with a thicker TE than the original, and looks the same otherwise: Errr....same goes for the wheels: All resin bits separated, many won't be used, since they make no sense, but the other are gladly welcome: What are we supposed to do with the brick?: This calls for Neanderthal modeling technology: And some sanding in the modeling water-sports area, otherwise known as kitchen sink: The kit's cowls are removed. Surprisingly, the kit has no indication on exactly where you should cut. I guided myself by a line on the lower half of the nacelle and followed the cut on the upper half: Thoughts so far: I guess "Encore" may have the purpose, which I commend, of rescuing an old kit to fill a niche in the market, given the absence (so far) of a good injected Beech 18. Some of the resin parts look more like a gimmick to add value, since there is no gain whatsoever in replacing the kit's parts with them. Other resin parts are welcome, but the silly oversight of not molding a matching peg on the separate cylinder to go into the notches on the engine case is...sad. Nonetheless those engines ARE an improvement over the kit's, and the new cowls a necessity. The door is nice too. More will follow on this. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 Oh, no, I just realized this will not pass inspection with @John Aero! rubber degradation, again grounded! Now... could we have an arrangement of some kind... I mean... for the approval? (wink-wink, nudge-nudge) Argentinian asado may be? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Moa, do you need to borrow some of this, to fill in those trenches/panel lines? Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 4 hours ago, dogsbody said: Moa, do you need to borrow some og this, to fill in those trenches/panel lines? Chris I have actually contracted the services of a concrete-pouring company. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 I also have a plain, no resin bits, old PM kit. I think I may use some parts of it for the vac, like landing gear legs, tailwheel and such, so I don't have to scratch those. On a different note, and regarding the question about differences, although it does not address the wing root angle, there are here some interesting facts: http://twinbeech.com/beech18differences.htm 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Moa said: Marklo, if you keep with this heretical talk, naming those accursed scales and even worse, mixing them, I will be forced to report you posts. Just for that I am going to try to find a military scheme for my Seabee . No just joking. So far I quite like this one Edited December 19, 2019 by Marklo 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Oh yes, tucked away in the middle in a couple of lines it does address the wing root angle, placing the change between the C and the D, or postwar. I wonder if it was connected to the change of tailplane incidence angle? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 All those changes to the "18" "ain't life a beech". One day that clamp will fail and a fuselage will open, spilling out the carefully crafted toilet, then you'll be in the deep and sticky. John 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 8 hours ago, Marklo said: So far I quite like this one Nice! It will need droop wingtips, a three-blade prop, and a lifetime of bird food. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 8 hours ago, Graham Boak said: I wonder if it was connected to the change of tailplane incidence angle? Or the new squared, washed-out wingtip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) I thought that this was later than the D? It may of course simply be to improve the local flow between the fuselage and the nacelles rather than being linked to anything else. The washed-out wingtips would strongly imply that some thought was being given to preventing stall beginning at a tip and thus giving wing drop (coupled with loss of height) at unwanted times, but extending the leading edge forward at the root would tend to discourage stall at the root, which is just the characteristic that is desired. Perhaps the two together gave an increase in maximum lift coefficient and thus reduced landing speeds that had been rising with increased weight? Well, it is sort-of logical. Or the inner wing leading edge extension transferred what had been an innocuous root stall to the tips, and the washed-out tips were introduced to counter this? That's logical too, but is it the actual sequence and reason for the change? It is frustrating when aerodynamic changes are described without any reason for them being put forward. Sadly there's a lot of such gaps in the histories, unless the preceding behaviour had been noticeably bad! Companies tend to keep quiet about (let's say) slightly debatable characteristics, as we have seen much more recently. Edited December 19, 2019 by Graham Boak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 I realized yet another detail overlooked regarding the civil decals for the Encore kit (VH-FIE): The intended plane had -as said above- long nacelles over the wing, and not short nacelles as in the kit, as well -as explained too- three-blade props and spinners (both absent in the kit), but also has the modified wingtips, squared and with a pronounced wash-out. You could modify the kit to show all this, but not without some not small labor, and it would have been nice if the instructions would have said or showed so, which they don't. I looked and looked searching for may be an earlier version of this scheme that coincides with the kit's features, but found none. VH-FIE seems to have been always already a different model of 18. Such a waste of good decals by AeroMaster, perfectly printed and in precise register. As Kurt Vonnegut would have said: So it goes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, Graham Boak said: but extending the leading edge forward at the root would tend to discourage stall at the root, They also lodge (this is for modelers building the kit) air intakes, very clear in photos, absent on the kit, so you have to add them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Well, this is all very interesting..... I started into a little Beech 18 injection kit, and abandoned it after some time. Looks very like the one you're working on, with deeeeep lining esp on the fuselage. Heavily angled wing roots, which I removed (because I "knew it was wrong"!) Did another maker use this tooling?? I can't find the remaining info right now, but it may come to me 🤔 I've now used a main wheel /tyre as a tailwheel replacement on an F4U-1A in a scale which must not be spoke here. So completion may not happen! I got the flaps and elevator operational and a fair bit of it foiled, before throwing in the towel. You may inspire me yet, Moa! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Forgot to toggle the follow button 😊 Carry on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, rob Lyttle said: Well, this is all very interesting..... I started into a little Beech 18 injection kit, and abandoned it after some time. Looks very like the one you're working on, with deeeeep lining esp on the fuselage. Heavily angled wing roots, which I removed (because I "knew it was wrong"!) Did another maker use this tooling?? I can't find the remaining info right now, but it may come to me 🤔 I've now used a main wheel /tyre as a tailwheel replacement on an F4U-1A in a scale which must not be spoke here. So completion may not happen! I got the flaps and elevator operational and a fair bit of it foiled, before throwing in the towel. You may inspire me yet, Moa! So you were working with the basic PM kit, which was later revamped by Encore adding resin bits and much better decals, plus a vac windshield (all this is above, but you shamelessly skipped it!) There is also the RarePlane vac, which I am building in parallel (again, go back to square one, you mischievous, reprehensible metal foiler!) Wheels are not difficult to replace, and you will find plenty of planes online that you can model with no wingroot kink. So no excuses. The cowls of the kit have been maledicted a bit, but hey, let's leave that to the rivet counters minority (99% of modelers). On your way you go now, my lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, rob Lyttle said: Forgot to toggle the follow button 😊 Carry on.... Thanks. As I was saying: The RarePlane vac bulkhead has the proper door: So of course I removed it and will pose open: The Encore kit door (solid) is removed: The resin substitute goes perfectly in: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 No no I read the lot. Just that I'm not recognising the name. Cogs are grinding in my head and I think Pioneer.....!! Pioneer models.... PM...?? Vacform! I got one, a Fairey Albacore, and I know I'll never do it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, rob Lyttle said: Pioneer models.... PM...?? Yeap. 6 minutes ago, rob Lyttle said: Vacform! I got one, a Fairey Albacore, and I know I'll never do it For a vacform to work it has to be of a civil plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 CRISIS!!!! I can't find anything on the restroom! The apex, the climax, the summit, the pinnacle, the acme of my builds! Oh, what would I do now... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 18 minutes ago, Moa said: I can't find anything on the restroom! 18 minutes ago, Moa said: Oh, what would I do now... Cross your legs? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dave Swindell said: Cross your legs? Surely not, this build may take weeks! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 A little issue here in the Encore/PM kit (I checked with photos). It may be fixed by painting over part of the transparency: Another detail (I will most likely be sanding those, and later replacing them in order not to hinder seam treatment): 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 http://twinbeech.com/ I've found pictures of the restroom door on here, but nothing so far on the "room" itself 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 Work continues on the vac: 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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