JMSmith Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 i have seen a model or something on here about this aircraft but now i can't find it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 This one? or This one? Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMSmith Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 thanks Steve the secod one was the one, i knew it mentioned the plane but i hoped it had a better photo, the model done is slightly wrong, rudder/fin was not black it was silver, as per my profile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, JMSmith said: thanks Steve the secod one was the one, i knew it mentioned the plane but i hoped it had a better photo, the model done is slightly wrong, rudder/fin was not black it was silver, as per my profile Do you have proof that its wrong? as Jonners is pretty accurate with his research for those decals. @Jon Kunac-Tabinor any comments? Julien 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampiredave Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I have an image given to me by the Squadron aerobatic team leader, Eddie Edmonds, which shows the fin and rudder is in silver. He was at CFS when I was at Little Rissington led the Jet Provost team in 1966 - 'The Red Pelicans' . The team comprised Four Meteor F.8s of No.610 (County of Chester) Squadron, Hooton Park, Flt Lt D L Edmonds, Fg Offs C Sadler, J O Hughes and Flt Sgt M Davison. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick b Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Am I missing something here? The photo in the first post clearly has a dark fin and rudder?? Looking at the same photo personally I would question the white above the saw teeth as it looks a darker tone to the rounded white? Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) The jet with the black fin is/was WK985(?) whereas the profile depicts WH384 so two different aeroplanes, two variations on a scheme. Simples (like me)!😉 With regard to the triangle on ‘985’s fin it could well be white: it’s in partial shadow whereas the white of the squadron bars is comparatively brightly lit, increasing its contrast with the adjacent black. That said the shadow of the port tailplane falls across the top of the Squadron bar aft of the roundel producing a tone similar to that on the fin. If anyone who was “there at the time” or who has, or had, access to reliable evidence is reading this thread perhaps they could comment. Edited December 13, 2019 by stever219 Omission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, JMSmith said: thanks Steve the secod one was the one, i knew it mentioned the plane but i hoped it had a better photo, the model done is slightly wrong, rudder/fin was not black it was silver, as per my profile right at the end of the thread the modeller says he got the fin colour wrong with the black, and then repainted it in silver when he found photographic evidence. This thread is confusing because a different meteor is clearly shown. I agree with Mick above, the Sqn markings and the inverted triangle on the fin appear darker than white. Edited December 13, 2019 by 71chally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Hi all. I'm a little flushed with "Christmas spirit" this evening so will refrain from a reply till I can check stuff, but as I recall we did say with WH384 that the fin might be black or silver- and gave both as options. It does illustrate the problem with trying to give modellers interesting colour schemes though. When we did the research there was one pic of this Meteor and the tail empennage was dark to the point that it could have been shadow or black painted. More stuff tomorrow when I'm not so "tired and emotional" Jonners 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, stever219 said: With regard to the triangle on ‘985’s fin it could well be white: it’s in partial shadow whereas the white of the squadron bars is comparatively brightly lit, increasing its contrast with the adjacent black. That said the shadow of the port tailplane falls across the top of the Squadron bar aft of the roundel producing a tone similar to that on the fin. If anyone who was “there at the time” or who has, or had, access to reliable evidence is reading this thread perhaps they could comment. There are clearly portions of the triangle and the Sqn saw tooth markings that are out of shadow and still darker than white though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayprit Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 In Roger Lindsays "Cold War Shield" Volume 1, pages 219-222, devotes 4 pages of history of the meteor in 610 Sqdn. 11 photos are black and white, some are HSS an some camo. Even includes sqdn ldrs a/c plus variations on tail colour variations. It also has a picture of WJ988 (see photo in thread #1)flying as part of the aerobatic team plus the triangle on the fin WITH a very small letter "R" in the centre of the triangle. The picture shows the a/c as silver. To quote the late Roger Lindsays notes on THIS aircraft "Another specially marked F8, was WK988 newly delivered with a clear view canopy, featured full squadron markings with black tailplane and fin(except for the fin flash)and rudder and with a large inverted white(?)triangle on the lower fin, it also had a badge, in a black disc on the outer nacelles and was believed to be used by the CO and Wingco." Markings Rectangular markings, either side of the fuselage roundel with lower half in black, upper half white(thinly outlined in black)with serrated diagonal division between the colours. Aircraft lettering was in black on the fin and nose wheel door. By late 1952/early 1953 most F8s had the squadron badge on a black disc on the outer nacelles, eg WH303/D and then miniature rectangular Squadron markings were added each side of the disc. Earlier in the year, black anti-dazzle panels were added in front of the windscreen on most F8s, often extending to include the rear portion of the canopy and tapering back along the dorsal fuselage, almost all the way to the base of the fin. Some Meteors in the Squadron also had black gun ports Pages 406-407 also show 5 colour photos of the Meteor F8s in flight, but, these are all camo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMSmith Posted December 14, 2019 Author Share Posted December 14, 2019 thank you very much guys, you have given far more than i expected, glad the photo confirms all silver fin/rudder Vampiredave, as alway Rogers book comes up trumps, thanks Raypit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMSmith Posted December 14, 2019 Author Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) and here is the one in question, WK988 610 sqn later canopy and wide mouth engines. Edited December 14, 2019 by JMSmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camper1 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 The triangle should have the Squadron badge in the centre. Cheers Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayprit Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 hours ago, camper1 said: The triangle should have the Squadron badge in the centre. Cheers Ian The photo,in Rogers book, clearly shows a letter "R" smack dab and centrally in its centre and it was the only aircraft in the squadron with the inverted triangle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camper1 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 16 hours ago, rayprit said: shows a letter "R" smack dab That is true, but there is more than one photo of this aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 On 12/14/2019 at 6:46 AM, JMSmith said: and here is the one in question, WK988 610 sqn later canopy and wide mouth engines. Very minor nit-pick: the profile shows the fairing for the aerial target towline attachment under the rear fuselage just aft of the end of the tailpipe which wouldn’t have been on 610’s jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMSmith Posted December 15, 2019 Author Share Posted December 15, 2019 the vent under the rear fuselage is on every photo i have of meteor f8's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 20 hours ago, JMSmith said: the vent under the rear fuselage is on every photo i have of meteor f8's Its on most pics I have. I will check the AP to see if its mentioned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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