Hewy Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 A much talked about blue or not blue mustang, i happen to think it was us navy blue ,with painted over upper dday stripes in either raf green or od, maybe both,this is how I'll be depicting lou iv ,its the recent revell 32nd scale kit i picked up cheap from hobby craft black friday sale, it'll be wheels up with a pilot on board which I'm yet to buy, and on some sort of stand 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 I just purchased the aerobonus p51 resin pilot so I'll be good to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toryu Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Blue? I'd say, rather the other way around, camo OD or RAF green and the invasion stripes (easily soluble colour), when painted over, mixed with the green colour resulting in some greyish appearance. I think the green upper surface colour is meanwhile the accepted wisdom since better photo rendering techniques have become available. If you're interested here is my proposition. In no case do I want to re-start this century discussion. Everybody as they like! Cheers, Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Toryu said: In no case do I want to re-start this century discussion. Everybody as they like! Me niether toryu,you have a wonderfull collection of mustangs beautifully built and finished, and i do like your reasoning behind the apparent blue ,to be fair it is feasible, still a fun and great subject 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueNosers352nd Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Hewy said: A much talked about blue or not blue mustang, i happen to think it was us navy blue ,with painted over upper dday stripes in either raf green or od, maybe both,this is how I'll be depicting lou iv ,its the recent revell 32nd scale kit i picked up cheap from hobby craft black friday sale, it'll be wheels up with a pilot on board which I'm yet to buy, and on some sort of stand Always wanted to do the P-51B Bald Eagle the same way. Looking forward to your build/representation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, BlueNosers352nd said: Always wanted to do the P-51B Bald Eagle the same way. Looking forward to your build/representation. Thanks bn i appreciate it , something I've wanted to do for a while , it will be only my interpretation and i dont want retread old discussions but heres a link for and against blue https://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/1998/05/stuff_eng_ww2incolor_louiv.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polybebber Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I've followed this discussion with much interest in the past, but in my opinion it leads nowhere. This my very own interpretation: Just follow your own instinct because who can you prove you wrong? Lothar 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, polybebber said: I've followed this discussion with much interest in the past, but in my opinion it leads nowhere. This my very own interpretation: Just follow your own instinct because who can you prove you wrong? Lothar Gorgeous model lothar, is it 32nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polybebber Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hewy said: Gorgeous model lothar, is it 32nd Yes, it's the the Revell kit and I can only encourage you to tackle yours. It has a few minor issues here and there, but nothing that couln't be corrected with little effort - the cockpit is exceptional for a kit in that price range. Spend a few extra quid for some seat belts and you're done. I really did enjoy the build. With more AM decal options available now I've already got me a second one. Go for it, you won't regret it. Good luck with your build, I'll gladly follow. Lothar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) Great choice Glynn I had an interesting thread on this subject I'll try to find it,I'm thinking of modelling her as she appeared around 6th June in full stripes. Edit.Here we are.https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235044714-more-mustang-questions-regarding-lou-iv/&tab=comments#comment-3159171 and some seat trivia. https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235044321-revell-132-mustang-questions-lou-iv/&tab=comments#comment-3151204 Edited December 10, 2019 by stevej60 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 12 hours ago, Hewy said: i happen to think it was us navy blue which one..... there are several .... Not widely appreciated, detail in this thread. And given the lack of USN planes in Britain and NW Europe.... Where would they get it? Some interesting points here, https://modelingmadness.com/review/allies/us/cleaver51d.htm though RAF Dark Green is an olive green, only Humbrol with 30 dark green as a blue green... You model, so your do with as you wish HTH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 @Steve60 thanks steve,yours was an interesting thread,and a superb model @Troy Smith you have some valid points troy concerning what (if) blue and where it came from, but, as it says at the bottom of your page to "never trust a profile without a photo" i shall be attempting to recreate lou iv mostly from this high resolution (enhanced,call it what you will) photograph ,there is a clearer photo than this one around showing apparently another ac in the formation looking blue too ,credit to dana bell ,thanks for looking in by the way, i hope my interpretation doesn't prevent you from revisiting👍, Thanks for the input 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toryu Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Watch the toned-down aluminium on the tail and cowling, and the shadow under the stabilizer and on the tanks, all got this bluish tinge. There is a colour shift due to clear sky and cloud reflection. Screen calibration and different colour perception let people see different hues. For me this is rather a blurred dark grey-green and that‘s what I used on my Lou IV. See this one for instance: https://www.gettyimages.ch/detail/nachrichtenfoto/aerial-view-of-a-north-american-aviation-p-51d-mustang-nachrichtenfoto/104141864 Cheers, Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dansk Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Really mess with everyone Glynn and do it bright pink 😁 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 19 hours ago, Hewy said: i happen to think it was us navy blue ,with painted over upper dday stripes in either raf green or od, 6 hours ago, Troy Smith said: And given the lack of USN planes in Britain and NW Europe.... Where would they get it? My thoughts if it were blue would be thinned down insignia blue not USN Blue. Im of two minds on this subject and don't want to open the proverbial in the thread. Ive read quite a bit on this subject, and i lean one way but wont say which. In the end it is Your build Hewy and I will support you either way. Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) Sorry for the thread hijack Glynn but the "blue" question often overshadows the man. http://www.americanairmuseum.com/person/211878 none four aircraft in the famous photo survived the war. Edited December 11, 2019 by stevej60 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, stevej60 said: Sorry for the thread hijack Glynn but the "blue" question often overshadows the man. http://www.americanairmuseum.com/person/211878 none four aircraft in the famous photo survived the war. I don't consider it hijacked steve, thanks for your thoughts and links, I'm going to enjoy building a blue mustang 1 hour ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: My thoughts if it were blue would be thinned down insignia blue not USN Blue. Im of two minds on this subject and don't want to open the proverbial in the thread. Ive read quite a bit on this subject, and i lean one way but wont say which. In the end it is Your build Hewy and I will support you either way. Dennis Cheers den, after all it'll still be a mustang whatever colour it was or wasn't 😋 you are probably right about the blue compared to my leanings , dare i say "I'll try to match the colour in the photo"🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toryu Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Amen. And I'm sure it will a be great model! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasermonkey Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I'm not sure if you are aware of this article on the subject, but it's the most compelling I have seen thus far. Opinions differ, but then most of us haven't seen the original transparency in the flesh. If you take the blue as being a given, the question of just which blue is another matter entirely. I suppose one has to ask the question as to which blues would have been available and which of those could conceivably be that in the photo. A few people (in a discussion on the subject over at Hyperscale) have argued the case for RAF Blue Grey and given that we know that several 8th AF fighter groups used British paints (more readily available), it's certainly plausible. I think that Insignia Blue can be ruled out, as the camouflage colour looks considerably lighter. A fascinating subject, for sure! Cheers, Mark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 38 minutes ago, lasermonkey said: I'm not sure if you are aware of this article on the subject, Nice link mark, most interesting Its almost incontrovertible isnt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Toryu said: Watch the toned-down aluminium on the tail and cowling, and the shadow under the stabilizer and on the tanks, all got this bluish tinge. There is a colour shift due to clear sky and cloud reflection. Screen calibration and different colour perception Michael, i do love a bit of controversy, although she's still destined to be blue, i can tell you love mustangs,and to be honest i love the look of the aircraft, but i know very little in the way of minor details, i do hope your around so you can steer me in the right direction when I'm getting in a spot of difficulty (apart from changing my mind about blue 😋 ) also michael you may be able to help me on this , as a mustang was approaching to land would the landing gear be symmetrical in its lowering phase or staggered?, thanks for your comments I'm already enjoying this gb immensely before it even starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toryu Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Glynn, I'm happy to help if I can. There are also many more knowledgeable people reading this thread that may chime in. First of all, here is a very helpful, though lenghty thread full of relevant information. It's an effort to read (took me at least 6 sessions to finish) but worth while flipping through. I would not consider, however, going to this level of accuracy which in some areas doesn't even look convincing in my humble view. Regarding landing gear action; I'd say, while hydraulics tend to work asymmetrically during retraction, the gear would come out almost in parallel when lowered because gravity helps. Cheers, Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Toryu said: I'd say, while hydraulics tends to work assymetrically during retraction, the gear would come out almost in parallel when lowered because gravity helps. good point michael, i would have guessed the same , you may be able to determine how i hope the finished model will end up,🤞all being well, I'm off to look at your link , thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toryu Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just occurred to me: there is a lot of restored Warbird footage on Youtube. You may find some showing a Mustang landing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 If it helps you to decide on the colour, I believe that Dana Bell is now going for blue ( look on LSP for a Lou IV build if you’re interested. Looking forward to this. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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