Colour of this rudder of Me 262

[Didier Leroux]

I'm painting my Trumpy Me 262 and I Wonder about the colour of the Rudder  (Me 262 BH+HL, WNr.110943 of 3./I./KG (J) 54). If some of you have ideas

Thank you for your help

[Holzhamer]

It doesn’t look 76. My guess would be either are aluminium or 65

[Antti_K]

The rudder looks darker than light blue or aluminium. The fin could have been white for example...

 

Cheers,

Antti

[Crimea River]

Possibly a rudder from an aircraft painted in 81, 82 or 83. I'm guessing one of the greens as the early factory applied 74 or 75 would not have made it to the rudder in my opinion. 

[fubar57]

Rest of the photos here but no further info...http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2018/06/me-262-kgj54.html

[SafetyDad]

Might it be possible that this rudder has been left in red primer? Please see the page below from The Monogram Painting Guide to German Aircraft. 

I can't recall if the rudder of the 262 was wood or metal? I recall a thread here on BM where this reddish colour was evident beneath the camo paint on a Bf109 wartime relic airframe part.

 

SD

 

 

 

 

[Crimea River]

Rudders were metal as far as I know but the red primer is also a possibility mentioned in Stormbird Colours by Green and Evans.

[Wulfman]

Late in the war tail sub-assemblies were manufactured separately, this one appears to be in the factory delivery 

scheme of 76 fin and red-brown primer rudder. This is one of many intriguing schemes seen on 262 relics.

 

Wulfman

[Holzhamer]

21 hours ago, Antti_K said:

The rudder looks darker than light blue or aluminium. The fin could have been white for example...

 

Cheers,

Antti

My bad, I was thinking the tail fin, not the rudder. Yes, white can also be a possibility for the fin. The rudder is harder to interpretation, thought the fuselage squiggles are also painted, barely discernible on the lower part of it, just aft the ammunition. 

[Jochen Barett]

18 hours ago, fubar57 said:

Rest of the photos here but no further info... http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2018/06/me-262-kgj54.html

Judging from those pics, esp.

the squiggle/mottle scheme continues from the fuselage onto the (not replaced) rudder.

The vertical stabilizer might be a replacement part in bare metal (except for the swastika).

 

Put a pistol to my head to read a guess regarding the colors?

RLM 76 "all over" followed by

"mottle" in the bright green variation (lightly sprayed) of "that late war German dark green" (some call it RLM 82),

and "squiggly" lines in the really dark green variation of "that late war German dark green" (some call it RLM 83).

Vertical stabilizer in unpainted, slightly oxidized aluminum (like Hans Fay's 711).

 

I'm taking my inspiration from Me 262 A-1a/U3 (WNr 170111) like seen here: https://www.avions-bateaux.com/uploads/attachment/produit//produit_3187_2eb1a1502929a553cec1f5be2ba22260.pdf

 

40 years ago the "mottle" would have been RLM 02 (or RLM 75) and the lines Schwarzgrün RLM 70.

[Wulfman]

Late war 76 was almost white with a blueish tinge.(amongst other variations).

The dark squiggles could be RLM81 Braunviolett or Olivbraun. Or RLM83 Dunkelgrun.

The lighter patches could be RLM82 Hellgrun or RLM 75 Mittelgrau, who knows?

Your guess is as good as anybodies. Hope this is useful.

 

Wulfman

 

 

 

 

[Milos Gazdic]

I don't believe that the ruder is having any mottle but is basically stressed metal structure with "bumps" showing as highlights & shadows which in "low res" scan of not ideally sharp image look like mottle.