3DStewart Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) Apologies if this has been asked before, but what changes are required to convert Heller's P-39Q to something reasonably close to an Airacobra? I know the cannon and spinner are different, anything else? This is in the context of an out of the box build, so minor details don't worry me. Would cockpit and wheel wells be US colours or RAF interior green? Thanks in advance. Edited December 3, 2019 by 3DStewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr T Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I think the exhaust stubs might be different and the wing gun arrangement mightnot be the same. Most of the Airacobras were direct contract and so probably finished to Air Ministry spevs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 See the link to some excellent photos of No. 601 Sq. Airacobra Mk 1's- they were the only squadron equipped with them, and then only for a short time. IIRC, the Airacobra Mk 1 was basically a P-39F with British radios, harness, and other bits. You can see fishtail and tubular exhausts fitted, and the type of spinner and 20mm cannon installed. Compared to the Heller P-39Q, there might be some differences in the nose gun ports, gun gas vents, and shell ejector chutes, so compare the photos to the kit. IIRC, wheel bays, flap bays, and inner surfaces of the gear fairing doors would usually be zinc chromate yellow, but sometimes they could be seen painted interior or Bell green- I think the lend-lease Mk 1's would be in chromate yellow. The nose and main gear struts were usually always finished in Bell green, which was the interpretation of interior green that came from the paint supplier Bell used. The Bell green appears a little more bluish ("Funny- you don't look Bluish!" for you Yellow Submarine fans.) than interior green, which is FS34151. @Dana Bell would be the man to ask, but I think he's really busy on some projects at the moment. Mike https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/usa/aircrafts-2-3/p-39-2/601-sqn-duxford-oct41/ Oh yeah, I almost forgot- if you are going to do one of the 601 Sq. Mk 1's, notice that in some of the photos in which the grey looks patchy, some of them were finished in mixed grey, as supplies of ocean grey were not sufficient to re-paint all of the aircraft that needed their dark green/dark earth/sky colors changed. The formula for mixed grey in RAF documents was 7 parts medium sea grey to 1 part night. The 601 Sq. Mk 1's were finished in dark green/mixed grey/medium sea grey or later repainted dark green/ocean grey/medium sea grey. Does this help? If you can find the Academy kit, it is better than the Heller kit, especially the nose contours, transparencies, and wingtips, but the RS kits are the best, I think, but are more expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 This is the link that helped me most with my build. https://boxartden.com/reference/gallery/index.php/Modeling-References/Camoflage-Markings/12-Tomahawk-Airacobra Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 You have discovered and revealed my best RAF Airacobra Mk 1 color reference! Are you over your illness, my friend? Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 What I have on RAF Airacobras: Chris 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 A few from the IWM: Chris 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck1945 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Also note that the P-39Q underwing .50 cal gun pods are not present on earlier versions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Nice photos, Chris! I will add them to the others I have saved. Skylark XIII is the one I have always wanted to do, and it is in the mixed grey, so that will be a little different, too, along with the fishtail exhausts. Thanks for posting the photos. Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 hours ago, 72modeler said: You have discovered and revealed my best RAF Airacobra Mk 1 color reference! Are you over your illness, my friend? Mike Wish i was my family is coming down with it now as well. Maybe in a few days i will start my uptick on the health front. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3DStewart Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 Thanks for help guys. Some great photos I've not see before. I'd also add that the Airacobra doesn't seem to have the nose gun blast tubes found on the P-39Q. Any idea what colour the UF codes are, white or sky? I'd be inclined to go with sky, but on some of the photos they look almost the same as the white of the roundels and fin flashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, 3DStewart said: Any idea what colour the UF codes are, white or sky? I'd be inclined to go with sky, but on some of the photos they look almost the same as the white of the roundels and fin flashes. Sky - I'm sure there is a couple of colour photos of them that confirms Edited December 4, 2019 by Dave Fleming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 38 minutes ago, 3DStewart said: Any idea what colour the UF codes are, white or sky? I'd be inclined to go with sky, but on some of the photos they look almost the same as the white of the roundels and fin flashes. Sky: compare colour of codes in 2nd photo of post 6 with colour of spinner and tail band. Also note colour of nosewheel leg in 1st photo: that's what I've always taken to be Bell green. You'll also need to add the wing guns: NB (photo 1 again) that the inner gun is mounted above the wing centreline and the other one below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 29 minutes ago, Seahawk said: but on some of the photos they look almost the same as the white of the roundels and fin flashes. In some photos, the codes sure do look very close to the white of the roundel and fin flash, but also match the tone of the sky spinner and fuselage band, but I think they were sky, as that is what all the color reference works state, and these Airacobras were freshly repainted upon arrival in England after their sea voyage, so I would think the finish was by the book. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, 72modeler said: and these Airacobras were freshly repainted upon arrival in England after their sea voyage, so I would think the finish was by the book. they got repainted from the US applied TLS to DFS for those that were issued, when the RAF didn't want them they were shipped onto the VVS, one was recovered in the last few years still in TLS, there are colour pics of this. Photos of VVS ex-RAF planes show both TLS and DFS (I can dig out links if anyone wants, they are on Sovietwarplanes BTW) One interesting detail is this, Bell painted a high Sky demarcation when repainted to DFS, they stencilling was masked out, which are what those little light patches are above the nose UC leg, also here on the nose and by the Sky band and here close up HTH 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3DStewart Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 Coming back with a further P-39 question . . . As shown above the RAF painted their propeller tips yellow as a safety aid. Did the USAAF paint their P-39 propeller's with similar tips? The photos I've found suggest generally not in service, but restored and museum aircraft do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Starmer Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Yes, The USAAC did apply yellow propeller tips, wef August 28th 1941: 4 inches both side of tips, Bullitin 41, shade No.48. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACALAIN Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Use the Academy model instead of the Heller, you have all the parts to make a British Airacobra Alain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 The RAF Airacobras were fitted with a British built Hispano 20mm cannon rather than the US built 37mm cannon, hence the different looking barrel poking out of the spinner. I think the overall shape of the spinner remained, just that the RAF aircraft had a slightly larger hole in the tip. I agree that the Academy kit would look better. It already has the two gun wing option and the proper 20mm prop spinner as another option! It's also much newer kit than the old Heller kit. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 6 hours ago, dogsbody said: I agree that the Academy kit would look better. True, but the RS Models Airacobra kits are even better, and one boxing is correct for the RAF version- they are more expensive than the Academy kit. See the link to a review and comparison of the two. I have Heller, Academy and RS Models Airacobra kits and I think the RS kit is the best of the bunch. The Academy kit has canopy profile and wingtip shape issues, and the wheel bays are not boxed in. The Academy nose contour is much better than the Heller kit, but not as good as the RS kit. Hope this helps. I recall seeing some reviews and builds on one of the VVS modeling websites, but I don't remember which one- you could do a search. SBS Models makes very nice correct wheels, 3-blade prop, and spinner for the P-39, and they are worth getting, regardless of the kit chosen for the build. Mike https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/which-1-72-p-39-kit-is-better-academy-or-rs-models-t228461.html https://modelingmadness.com/scott/allies/previews/rs/92133.htm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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