Vinster Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Hey guys so, I'm at the stage im ready to paint my vampire and before i started i wanted to order the right varnish - obviously i have both a gloss and matt varnish but with a metallic I was wondering is there any special varnish I needed as on a previous metallic model I applied a humbrol gloss varnsih to finish and it ended up looking very glassy rather than proper metallic. So I was looking into investing into some more alclad products to go with their paints I bought and wondered if this would improve the finish of my kits. Thank you for reading this and the k you for allowing me to be a part of the modelling community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt-92 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Presumably, you already have Alclad in your possession then? I went looking for a non-laquer and am going to try AK ExtremeMetal. They have a black base gloss as well. As a sealant, MrHobby Topcoat for the final gloss layer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) Keep in mind that Vampires were finished in aluminum paint, not in natural metal. A high shine metallic finish would be unrealistic here. When I built my latest Vampire I used a 50/50 mix of Vallejo gloss and satin varnishes as final coat Edited December 3, 2019 by Giorgio N 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 10 hours ago, Vinster said: Hey guys so, I'm at the stage im ready to paint my vampire and before i started i wanted to order the right varnish - obviously i have both a gloss and matt varnish but with a metallic I was wondering is there any special varnish I needed as on a previous metallic model I applied a humbrol gloss varnsih to finish and it ended up looking very glassy rather than proper metallic. So I was looking into investing into some more alclad products to go with their paints I bought and wondered if this would improve the finish of my kits. Thank you for reading this and the k you for allowing me to be a part of the modelling community The Vampire pod was made from plywood so it didn't have a metallic finish. Vampires were painted High speed silver overall. Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don149 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 In`55 , 612 Sqd Vamp . 5s were grey/green upper half and silver below and were rather weathered and dull . However a Vamp squadron came up to Dyce ( Aberdeen ) on summer camp from Anglesey . They had with them a new T 11 , silver with yellow training bands , that one had quite a sheen to it , made everything else pretty drab ! , even our two Meteor T 7s which were a bit dull by that time . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinster Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, alt-92 said: Presumably, you already have Alclad in your possession then? I went looking for a non-laquer and am going to try AK ExtremeMetal. They have a black base gloss as well. As a sealant, MrHobby Topcoat for the final gloss layer. Thank you, I've heard mr hobby varnishes are very good. Edited December 3, 2019 by Vinster Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinster Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Giorgio N said: Keep in mind that Vampires were finished in aluminum paint, not in natural metal. A high shine metallic finish would be unrealistic here. When I built my latest Vampire I used a 50/50 mix of Vallejo gloss and satin varnishes as final coat Thank you, I did not pick up on that, would alclad airframe aluminium be ok for this finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinster Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Don149 said: In`55 , 612 Sqd Vamp . 5s were grey/green upper half and silver below and were rather weathered and dull . However a Vamp squadron came up to Dyce ( Aberdeen ) on summer camp from Anglesey . They had with them a new T 11 , silver with yellow training bands , that one had quite a sheen to it , made everything else pretty drab ! , even our two Meteor T 7s which were a bit dull by that time . Thank you, Im doing the revell vampire and it was with 608 sqd in 51 with the airforce auxiliary. But in the future I'd like to do a actual camo scheme one Edited December 3, 2019 by Vinster Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seawinder Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 34 minutes ago, Vinster said: Thank you, I did not pick up on that, would alclad airframe aluminium be ok for this finish Airframe Aluminum is a one of Alclad's glossiest shades, which may not matter if you're going to cover it with some sort of clear coat. Alclad has High Speed Silver in their line: ALC 125. It's somewhat glossy, but quite a bit less so than Airframe Aluminum and therefore probably less fragile as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinster Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 55 minutes ago, Seawinder said: Airframe Aluminum is a one of Alclad's glossiest shades, which may not matter if you're going to cover it with some sort of clear coat. Alclad has High Speed Silver in their line: ALC 125. It's somewhat glossy, but quite a bit less so than Airframe Aluminum and therefore probably less fragile as well. I think I may have this colour as well so it would be worth a try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 All the HSS panels I have are a satin finish. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, canberra kid said: All the HSS panels I have are a satin finish. John As John says. For an aluminium finish I have always used Alclad II's Duralumin. It has the right degree of "dullness" and certainly looks like slightly used, so-called HSS. Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seawinder Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 hours ago, sloegin57 said: As John says. For an aluminium finish I have always used Alclad II's Duralumin. It has the right degree of "dullness" and certainly looks like slightly used, so-called HSS. Dennis That's my go-to shade as well. I'll sometimes mix in a bit of Alclad Semi-matte Aluminum if I want it duller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilh Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 I like their plain aluminium, finished with the semi matte or flat finish an example of a vampire painted that way http://ipmsavon.org.uk/meetings-gallery.php?year=15#20150819-1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinster Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 On 03/12/2019 at 04:50, Giorgio N said: Keep in mind that Vampires were finished in aluminum paint, not in natural metal. A high shine metallic finish would be unrealistic here. When I built my latest Vampire I used a 50/50 mix of Vallejo gloss and satin varnishes as final coat Do you reckon high speed silver would be ok or is this too shiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, Vinster said: Do you reckon high speed silver would be ok or is this too shiny As Giorgio said the finish is semi-matt, so if you’ve got a can of paint labelled “High Speed Silver” it should produce that semi-matt finish. The “fun” will start when you get round to applying decals as most will settle best onto a gloss surface. If you do apply a clear gloss coat you’ll need to apply a clear satin coal to achieve your desired finish. Others here may be able to point you in the direction of suitable clear finishes that are compatible with your chosen paint: I tend to use Humbrol Matt Aluminium to replicate HighSpeed Silver with Future as the gloss coat as it doesn’t react with the silver enamel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 High Speed Silver is the name sometime used for this finish, IIRC appears at some point in official documents and is colloquially used among modellers. And of course is used by a model paint manufacturer. So yes, this was the paint Regarding shine, I look at this from a modeller perspective: to reproduce a surface painted in silver or aluminum I prefer to avoid a very shiny finish as these are the ones I use to reproduce natural metal aircraft. The original paint may have been gloss but an excessively gloss finish on a model is IMHO not realistic. The original paint on the Vampire also tended to become dull after a while, one more reason to avoid a shiny finish 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinster Posted December 8, 2019 Author Share Posted December 8, 2019 14 hours ago, stever219 said: As Giorgio said the finish is semi-matt, so if you’ve got a can of paint labelled “High Speed Silver” it should produce that semi-matt finish. The “fun” will start when you get round to applying decals as most will settle best onto a gloss surface. If you do apply a clear gloss coat you’ll need to apply a clear satin coal to achieve your desired finish. Others here may be able to point you in the direction of suitable clear finishes that are compatible with your chosen paint: I tend to use Humbrol Matt Aluminium to replicate HighSpeed Silver with Future as the gloss coat as it doesn’t react with the silver enamel. Thank you - Alclad seem to have a good selection of varnishes to achieve each effects I think I'll use one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinster Posted December 8, 2019 Author Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Giorgio N said: High Speed Silver is the name sometime used for this finish, IIRC appears at some point in official documents and is colloquially used among modellers. And of course is used by a model paint manufacturer. So yes, this was the paint Regarding shine, I look at this from a modeller perspective: to reproduce a surface painted in silver or aluminum I prefer to avoid a very shiny finish as these are the ones I use to reproduce natural metal aircraft. The original paint may have been gloss but an excessively gloss finish on a model is IMHO not realistic. The original paint on the Vampire also tended to become dull after a while, one more reason to avoid a shiny finish Thank you, I'll try and find a good satin varnsih to remove this shine - i think alclad have some designed for their paint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) I don't know if this helps any? it's an un issued panel approximately a foot square in factory applied HSS, I think what it does illustrate is the lack of a shine. John Edited December 8, 2019 by canberra kid Typo 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seawinder Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 FWIW, Alclad's HSS is significantly shinier than the photos posted above, so it'll need something in the way of a satin clear coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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