Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Nice save on the tailplanes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 I was right to do that, Dennis, wasn't I?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, rob Lyttle said: I was right to do that, Dennis, wasn't I?? Yes as far as i know they're straight, thats how ive been building them my whole life. https://drawingdatabase.com/vought-f4u-corsair/ This should help if you dont have them yet. Edited November 30, 2019 by Corsairfoxfouruncle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 On 11/27/2019 at 9:13 PM, rob Lyttle said: Tell me this @spitfire did you make use of the folding mechanism on the wings?? I can't visualise it being a successful outcome for the look of the plane, but I'd like to know if it can be done I did not attempt to build them with wings folded, I do not normally build my kits with open panels or folded wings so cannot comment on the ability to do that. Cheers Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share Posted December 1, 2019 Right O. I have a change of plan with regards to the wings/fuselage assembly sequence. There's no doubt that the joint provision on this kit for the wing roots to the fuselage sides is worse than "vague", as previously stated. Considering that this is THE primary joint in an aeroplane model, I mean the Joint of Joints, The Nulli Secunus of kit joints, what you get is wholy inadequate. Here's my plan.... I've already added a fair bit of structure to the inboard wing panels. They are just a hollow box and with the flaps cut off, some internal structure is required. > So I decided to add a bit more. A strip along the wing root edge that will actually protrude into the fuselage and give that arched opening something to glue to. This is now ready to be assembled on to the centre section... .... and with only the faintest adjustment to the aperture in the fuselage side, the whole thing goes together like this dry run suggests.... If you have a little zoom on there you can see the white strip of the extra plastic strip showing.... without the strip that would be a gaping void straight into the fuselage. So my plan is to do the other wing, and build the entire wings assembly and then fit it on to the fuselage bottom, making full use of the mating surfaces now provided along the wing roots! Hopefully that should be reasonably free of filler, and I can concentrate on sorting the gaps left where the flaps were designed to cover. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Hello Rob... Knowing your interest in Foil this might be a good option for you as well. F4U-1A “Sally”. She was a rear area hack normally associated with VMF-122. But my research shows it attached to Marine service squadron 11 or H&SB 11. https://combatace.com/forums/topic/75843-white-f4u-corsair/ Scroll down a little bit. Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share Posted December 1, 2019 An interesting option! And a couple of good pictures from the time. The colour picture though, of the plane in flight, has got FlightSim written all over it. Prop disc, pilot, wrong canopy, and the front mast.... The idea of a bunch of fitters making a flying airframe from parts of wrecks is intriguing to say the least! Ultimate 1/1modelling!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 An excellent solution to the wing/fuselage join. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 Here's the complete wing assembly, And this is the trailing edges where the flaps will fit. I've got the outboard flaps made up and ready to go, and these two pieces fitted into the wing with curved ends are what they will be attached to... There's no point making a perfect concave closure all along the rear of the wing since the flap pieces will cover it all. I'm just going to concentrate on similar bracket fittings for the inboard flaps. The important thing for the wing top is to get the trailing edges thinned right down where the flaps fit underneath. I need to sort some Ali tube exhaust stubs in the bottom of the fuselage while I have access, and then the whole lot is going together 😇 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadget2012 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 On 27/11/2019 at 21:13, rob Lyttle said: Tell me this @spitfire did you make use of the folding mechanism on the wings?? I can't visualise it being a successful outcome for the look of the plane, but I'd like to know if it can be done I built one of these earlier in the year and was determined to have the wings folded (mainly due to a lack of display space 😝) and had a bit of a battle with the soft plastic hinge. I ended up cutting the original hinge off and bending a heavy duty paperclip into the right shape and using that. It looked very sparse so I bashed some basic detail, trying to replicate some pictures I found on the web. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 Good effort @Gadget2012! The extra work looks good. I was originally thinking about a folded wing for the same reason, but I'll find a space for it somewhere, even if it's in the loft!! I think Revell are suggesting that the structure can be done so that the hinges move, and the wings can be folded and opened as required. I definitely can't see that ending in a successful way! You got the wings attached to the fuselage OK?? Well I can see you have.... Just wondering how it went!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadget2012 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Thanks Rob, I remember it being painful and one of those builds that I had to keep leaving before it had a flight test from the bedroom window! I never got the join perfect and just made the best I could of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 Well, it's on, Pipes fitted and the whole wing assembly fixed to the fuselage. The pipes protruding into the engine bay are bent up against the fire wall in the general direction of what I guess is a collecter ring that Revell have modelled for the exhaust system. It's not right, but the only view is through the cooling flaps so I'm not going to make an ordeal of the pipe system. As long as the engine fits, I'm leaving it! The BIG join up went well and I'm glad I did a bit of ground work first to expedite the process. I'm getting some ppp filler in the fuselage gaps where the flaps have been removed, and a couple of dabs elsewhere, but the main wing root joints are looking great! 😎 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 Wanted to paste this on for convenience. It's a bit of a palaver to navigate to and around the walkaround section here. I think it's a pity that such a great BM resource is tucked away at the back. The really fine sharp trailing edges of the flying surfaces is very evident on the reference pictures, and it's a serious issue with this old kit. I've been trying to get them sharper, and I'll get some photos done and describe what I have done 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 11 hours ago, rob Lyttle said: Wanted to paste this on for convenience. It's a bit of a palaver to navigate to and around the walkaround section here. I think it's a pity that such a great BM resource is tucked away at the back. Thx, its no more tucked away at the back than any other section. Section is split along traditional lines and every title lists manufacturer first with designation second. Oh and that the original designer/manufacturer before any mergers and buy outs. Hence the McDonnell F-4 Phantom as they designed it before the company merged with Douglas. There will be no Boeing P-51D etc in the section! Juien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Julien said: its no more tucked away at the back The organisation and listing is spot on. I just think it ought to be promoted up a level out of the resources section. So that, under Aircraft Modelling, you get the WIPs, the RFIs, and Walkarounds right there. And then Resources and the rest. It's that useful! BAe Canberra, anyone?? 😮 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, rob Lyttle said: BAe Canberra, anyone?? 😮 no, just NO 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 I've used a lot of elbow grease recently trying to get the trailing edges on the elevators, ailerons and rudder thinned down, and all with very little effect. The parts are unyielding slabs of styrene. Having achieved my best efforts, I starting thinking of a workaround. And here's my efforts.... So this is the rudder, and that is a length of stretched sprue in dark blue. I flatted the edge of the rudder a little and preformed the curve on the sprue and glued it on. A short while later, a smear of filler - the very handy ppp- to blend it with a surface.... I've moved the trim tab a little, so I'll sort it out separately, later. I've done the same thing with the ailerons.... The process adds a mm or so to the part, but it does give something to work with for sanding and shaping into a more pointed edge. I won't really know how successful it is visually until I get some primer on and then see what it looks like, but I'm hoping it'll be an improvement on the kit parts. Check out the edges on the rudder on this.... The flap sections are getting the same treatment as they are made ready, and that's basically all the trailing edges accounted for! 😎 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 This is what the rudder looks like at the moment. I think a little more abrasion will produce more of an edge. At least I've got some material to work on. I've worked on a couple of details. The gunsight was awful so that's gone, and I worked up an alternative based on a transparent piece from the spares and some wire. What I'm seeing in searches looks like an early HUD system complete with a big angled screen (armour??) inside the front canopy and the lens topped sight pointing at it. I made a screen on 2 rails of stretched sprue and 2 fine cuts into the edge of the front canopy. The sprue runners were bent up as support legs and glued into the cuts to hold the screen off the canopy windscreen.... Can you make out what I'm talking about? 😅 The extra sprue will be trimmed off later when it's all settled. The screen looks like it's armour grade in the refs, and the F4U-1A has the curved front windscreen, which suggests to me that it's perspex. Later marks seem to have the flat armoured windscreen. So maybe this internal addon screen is the bulletproof part. Anyway, I've taken a shot at it! I also got the engine and cowling fitted. I have done a bit of work on the engine. Some of it done a while ago, and I'll do a quick resume of this next. Oh yeah, the 2 outer flaps are fitted in position. Looking a bit more like a Corsair now! 👍 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, rob Lyttle said: What I'm seeing in searches looks like an early HUD system complete with a big angled screen (armour??) inside the front canopy and the lens topped sight pointing at it. Thats a fairly accurate way of describing the reflector gunsights. Yes its armored glass on the inside. Edited December 6, 2019 by Corsairfoxfouruncle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/374078-f4u-1-series-inaccuracies/ See if that works. Some nice coverage of the F4U-1A gunsight and cockpit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike romeo Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Great work, Rob. I always enjoy seeing people giving classic plastic some TLC. Regards Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadget2012 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Awesome work Rob, i put a bit more detail into a few areas but nothing on this level! It's build like yours that encourage me to try new things in every build. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 9 hours ago, Gadget2012 said: try new things in every build. That's the thing about britmodeller, @Gadget2012! We kind of egg each other on to try things out. If you're fooling around with £200 worth of kit and aftermarket additionals it can all get a bit heavy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 This is what the outer flaps are looking like... Some sticky-back Ali foil details added to indicate the structure. The trailing edge's extra sprue strip can be seen. I also did a quick mod on the vertical tail with some holes, as in other builds I've seen... It was looking a bit weird until I realised it was the thickness of the white plastic insert piece that was messing up the appearance. I painted matt black in the holes to make that disappear, and the look of is much improved. The front canopy isn't fixed yet, and I'm having a 2nd go at the armour screen. Having looked again at some of the reference material, I thought it could be improved. Here's where it's at.... We'll see how this goes.... 😎 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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