New Tool Airfix Vulcan 1/72 - Black Buck rebox announced

[cherisy]

2 minutes ago, Stuart91 said:

I genuinely can't believe how it even got past the first inspection and a CAD drawing or a render, let alone approved and actually moulded then released! 😂 Quite the oversight! Plus i'm guessing they were only using that one photo that's doing the rounds as their reference... 5 mins on a google search was all it would have taken to confirm it was incorrect 😆

Neither can I.  Its like a gave the project to a work experience  bod from college 😂.

There's actually a photo online of the pod fitted correctly  and seems to be the next one in sequence from the offering one. I'm still trying to get over the cut out on the pylon where the Techies head was! It's as if they photo shopped the surroundings out and cast what was left. Interestingly their Facebook page is silent on the release. The sea king received lots of coverage. But nadda  on this. Its almost like they are trying to play it down.

I think someone at Hornby has had their legs slapped.

[iainpeden]

1 hour ago, Adam Poultney said:

This honestly all sounds like Airfix have contracted this out or something... it's totally out of character for them and not at all up to their standards

Unfortunately it isn't out of character. The multitude of very obvious errors on the fairly recent Spey Phantom as well as design features which at the very least, make it a tricky fit shows Sod-s Law - what can go wrong, will go wrong - is alive and well and living in Kent.

[Rabbit Leader]

7 minutes ago, cherisy said:

Interestingly their Facebook page is silent on the release. The sea king received lots of coverage. But nadda  on this. Its almost like they are trying to play it down.

I tend to agree here, even the latest Workbench blog focuses on the upcoming re-released Phantom, rather than basking in the euphoria of finally offering a dedicated Black Buck Vulcan to the market. That’s not what their marketing department normally do. 
 

Cheers.. Dave 

[VMA131Marine]

7 hours ago, tony.t said:

 

The harder plastic might convince me I can justify a second Vulcan (duff pylons or not) to build right away as a regular peacetime bomber. 

 

 

He's got a point. Those of us interested in the Vulcan already have one. Apart from the harder plastic, what exactly is the pull of this new boxing to entice us into buying another if it's not the Black Buck gubbins?

 

Tony

 

 

Well, the decals especially if you go the aftermarket route on pods and weapons. 
But you can almost make a similar argument about people who ditch the internals, exterior details and decals for aftermarket items that total several times the cost of the kit alone.

Maybe we should ask Airfix, and other kit makers, just to give us the basic airframe parts. Kind of like how it was in the 1950s.

[Corsairfoxfouruncle]

20 minutes ago, VMA131Marine said:

Maybe we should ask Airfix, and other kit makers, just to give us the basic airframe parts. Kind of like how it was in the 1950s.

Actually Id like that option on a lot of builds. I have 44 years of collected decals in my files. If it makes modern kits cheaper Im all for it. 

[Adam Poultney]

I'd certainly appreciate a lot of kits being released with stencil markings only, I use a lot of aftermarket decals or sometimes make my own. 

[Uncle Dick]

Questions:

 

How does one tell if an Airfix kit comes with limited edition collectors coin from looking at the box top online? Do they have a seperate kit number which deignates it as an limited edition with the coin?

 

The only thing I can see is that Airfix calls it a Bundle and gives it a Bundle number which would imply seperate kitbox and sperate coin unlike Hasegawa for example when they started releasing squadron patches with their limited edition releases which was in the kit and could not be mistaken as that specific box top came with the squadron patch...

 

Are they only avaivalbe to order direct from Airfix for example  or will online and local hobby shops sell them as well? 

 

Is the box art box top also limited edition, for example with the Black Buck Box art will that only be 500 kits released or will they say release 500 with coin and say another 10,000 without the coin (but all 10,500 will have same box art and kit number)?

 

Lastly how are they packaged is the coin inside the kit box or seperate to the kit box but within another box?

 

Thanks in advance

Edited September 16, 2023 by Uncle Dick

[Rabbit Leader]

2 hours ago, Uncle Dick said:

 

How does one tell if an Airfix kit comes with limited edition collectors coin from looking at the box top online? Do they have a seperate kit number which deignates it as an limited edition with the coin?

I’m afraid I cannot answer any of your questions UD, however one would hope that this error is limited to just the initial 500 pieces and the kit designers go back to the drawing boards / computers to design an additional (accurate) sprue. 
 

Cheers.. Dave 

[Robert]

The sad thing is that Airfix will not hold up their hands and say yes we made a mess of it. To me their answer is we will still sell the kits even though we know it is wrong, which is not the way to treat your customers.

 

Regards

Robert

[Rabbit Leader]

4 minutes ago, Robert said:

The sad thing is that Airfix will not hold up their hands and say yes we made a mess of it. To me their answer is we will still sell the kits even though we know it is wrong, which is not the way to treat your customers.

 

Regards

Robert

 

Both Yes and No here Robert.

"Yes", they did admit to making errors whilst scanning the TT Mosquito, however "No", they have since done nothing about correcting their mistakes either! 

It's almost as if Airfix are trying desperately hard to pump out as many new releases prior to Christmas. The Seafire XVII, Sea King and now Black Buck Vulcan were not announced as part of their 2023 releases, so they have obviously had a change of marketing tact here. 

The guys and girls at Airfix appear to be honest and decent folk, let's hope they just admit this Vulcan error and produce a new sprue for their next batch of Vulcans. Free sprues should also be offered to those that purchased the first batch on request. 

 

Cheers.. Dave  

 

 

 

[IT_Man]

5 hours ago, Uncle Dick said:

Questions:

 

How does one tell if an Airfix kit comes with limited edition collectors coin from looking at the box top online? Do they have a seperate kit number which deignates it as an limited edition with the coin?

 

The only thing I can see is that Airfix calls it a Bundle and gives it a Bundle number which would imply seperate kitbox and sperate coin unlike Hasegawa for example when they started releasing squadron patches with their limited edition releases which was in the kit and could not be mistaken as that specific box top came with the squadron patch...

 

Are they only avaivalbe to order direct from Airfix for example  or will online and local hobby shops sell them as well? 

 

Is the box art box top also limited edition, for example with the Black Buck Box art will that only be 500 kits released or will they say release 500 with coin and say another 10,000 without the coin (but all 10,500 will have same box art and kit number)?

 

Lastly how are they packaged is the coin inside the kit box or seperate to the kit box but within another box?

 

Thanks in advance

 

The one called BUNDLE is the Airfix offering, which includes the coin (a bundle of the standard kit, with the coin). You can only get the coin from Airfix, so Hannants et al only get the kit. Once the bundle runs out on Airfix site, it will revert back to the regular kit number.

 

I wouldn't have thought there's any difference in the box, to take account of the coin, as it would increase their production cost to have a variant for so few pieces.

 

It's the quantity of coins that is the limited factor, the kit itself will be however many thousand in the production run.

[Stuart91]

6 hours ago, Uncle Dick said:

Questions:

 

How does one tell if an Airfix kit comes with limited edition collectors coin from looking at the box top online? Do they have a seperate kit number which deignates it as an limited edition with the coin?

 

The only thing I can see is that Airfix calls it a Bundle and gives it a Bundle number which would imply seperate kitbox and sperate coin unlike Hasegawa for example when they started releasing squadron patches with their limited edition releases which was in the kit and could not be mistaken as that specific box top came with the squadron patch...

 

Are they only avaivalbe to order direct from Airfix for example  or will online and local hobby shops sell them as well? 

 

Is the box art box top also limited edition, for example with the Black Buck Box art will that only be 500 kits released or will they say release 500 with coin and say another 10,000 without the coin (but all 10,500 will have same box art and kit number)?

 

Lastly how are they packaged is the coin inside the kit box or seperate to the kit box but within another box?

 

Thanks in advance

My kit I recieved yesterday has the same box art that is shown on other websites for sale, it doesn't appear to be any different. The coin itself is in a plastic case wrapped in a protective film. I can't see anywhere on the box that states it's limited edition...

[71chally]

3 hours ago, Rabbit Leader said:

The guys and girls at Airfix appear to be honest and decent folk, let's hope they just admit this Vulcan error and produce a new sprue for their next batch of Vulcans. Free sprues should also be offered to those that purchased the first batch on request. 

Let's not forget, the right bits are probably in the box, going from the pictures, hopefully just a case of not using that deep 'adaptor' between the pylon and the ECM pod, it might require nothing more than a message or instruction update from Airfix not to use that part.

I still don't think it's right, when you paying almost £30 more for this kit than the standard B.2 kit, but there we go. 

[cherisy]

7 minutes ago, 71chally said:

Let's not forget, the right bits are probably in the box, going from the pictures, hopefully just a case of not using that deep 'adaptor' between the pylon and the ECM pod, it might require nothing more than a message or instruction update from Airfix not to use that part.

I still don't think it's right, when you paying almost £30 more for this kit than the standard B.2 kit, but there we go. 

And there you have it. They are charging £30 more for what is a flawed and poorly researched kit update. I know the kit is sound and we could use aftermarket. But at that price why should we?

[Adam Poultney]

2 minutes ago, cherisy said:

And there you have it. They are charging £30 more for what is a flawed and poorly researched kit update. I know the kit is sound and we could use aftermarket. But at that price why should we?

Exactly. 

[Ratch]

No-one is forcing you to buy any kit. If you don't like it keep your dosh in your pocket.

[cherisy]

28 minutes ago, Ratch said:

No-one is forcing you to buy any kit. If you don't like it keep your dosh in your pocket.

That's Very true and I agree. However  the point I was trying to make was they are charging premium  rate for a kit that is flawed and poorly researched. If they were flogging them for the same price or slightly  less than the standard bomber version then fair enough. It's up to the individual. 

[Ratch]

4 minutes ago, cherisy said:

That's Very true and I agree. However  the point I was trying to make was they are charging premium  rate for a kit that is flawed and poorly researched. If they were flogging them for the same price or slightly  less than the standard bomber version then fair enough. It's up to the individual. 

Whatever anyone charges, it's up to the individual. If you think this kit is worth less than the RRP, just wait until someone offers it at a price you like. If you wouldn't have one at any price, it doesn't matter.

[Richard E]

With tongue planted firmly in cheek.

 

In the future this particular version of the kit could, of course, become an extremely valuable item in the same way that stamps or banknotes which contain printing errors attract a premium price in the collectors' market

 

 

[alt-92]

2 hours ago, 71chally said:

I still don't think it's right, when you paying almost £30 more for this kit than the standard B.2 kit, but there we go. 

 

 

2 hours ago, cherisy said:

They are charging £30 more

 

 

methinks some people are confusing the sale/overstock prices that were recently posted for the regular price if they are referring to 30 pounds more than normal.

I can tell you that the original Vulcan B.2 012011 box has NOT been discounted outside the UK and goes for 70+ euros in these parts of the world.

https://www.aviationmegastore.com/en/modelling/avro-vulcan-b2-airfix-012011-175891.html

https://www.modelbouwkrikke.nl/contents/nl/p73940_airfix-a12011-1-avro-vulcan-b2.html

https://modelbouw-dordrecht.nl/Airfix-Avro-Vulcan-B2-A12011

 

 

In other words: get a grip, guys. 

[alt-92]

9 hours ago, Uncle Dick said:

will they say release 500 with coin and say another 10,000 without the coin

Based on the Hunter: 500 with coin out of the total production run. 

 

[Shaun]

25 minutes ago, alt-92 said:

Based on the Hunter: 500 with coin out of the total production run. 

 

500 boxes with the coin shipped direct to the distributor is hardly the biggest ask of any producer. They may even be popping the boxes open in the Airfix warehouse and slipping the coins in before despatch.

Its just a marketing idea to get you to order direct from the manufacturer.

[alt-92]

The coin edition is only available from Airfix direct for the very reason you give in that last sentence.

 

Quite similar to Eduard's beerglass or other extras, but without the price difference Ed incorporates.

[cherisy]

39 minutes ago, alt-92 said:

 

 

 

 

methinks some people are confusing the sale/overstock prices that were recently posted for the regular price if they are referring to 30 pounds more than normal.

I can tell you that the original Vulcan B.2 012011 box has NOT been discounted outside the UK and goes for 70+ euros in these parts of the world.

https://www.aviationmegastore.com/en/modelling/avro-vulcan-b2-airfix-012011-175891.html

https://www.modelbouwkrikke.nl/contents/nl/p73940_airfix-a12011-1-avro-vulcan-b2.html

https://modelbouw-dordrecht.nl/Airfix-Avro-Vulcan-B2-A12011

 

 

In other words: get a grip, guys. 

Grip firmly got😂😂

[cherisy]

55 minutes ago, Ratch said:

Whatever anyone charges, it's up to the individual. If you think this kit is worth less than the RRP, just wait until someone offers it at a price you like. If you wouldn't have one at any price, it doesn't matter.

No it doesn't. But however you dress it up. The poor research based on one photo isn't what you'd expect of airfix.