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15 hours ago, WV908 said:

597 (and the Comet) should be going inside the current Concorde Hangar once the new hangar for G-BOAA has been built - I believe they have the funding but not the planning permission yet

Not certain about the Comet but the plan for 597 has been shelved. The new hangar is going ahead with, I believe, the current Concorde hangar becoming a Cold War hanger but there is no space for 597.

Not chuffed about this as she needs a lot of TLC based on the last time I was there.

 

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Alistair

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19 hours ago, WV908 said:

 

 I believe they have the funding but not the planning permission yet 

WV908

 

It would be strange to obtain funding and not have planning in place - because, one could be in the unenviable position of having to return or reallocate the funding if the app was denied for any reason - if its part funded by third party grant funding planning is nearly always a prerequisite. I suspect there maybe a pre-app in place, this won't appear on the planning portal, but will  however inform if the development is feasible from a planning persepective.

 

Apologies this is wildy off topic post, but I it was worth a mention before I return to my hole.

 

Tommo,

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Honestly I'm not even sure that museum wants its Vulcan then 😂 

XM597 has to be one of the most significant surviving Vulcans. It deserves a lot better than this

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5 minutes ago, Adam Poultney said:

XM597 has to be one of the most significant surviving Vulcans. It deserves a lot better than this

Absolutely, She deserves a lot better.

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It seems odd that they sent that particular one to a museum that wasn't fully prepared to permanently preserve it

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On 3/19/2021 at 12:20 PM, Retired Bob said:

Airfix should provide safety ropes so that any lineys working on the aircraft can be pulled out if they accidentally fall into any of them. 🙄

The first kits that I bought that had recessed panel lines were Otaki 1/48th aircraft in the mid 70s, very fine and beautifully done.  Why Airfix cannot recreate that in this age is beyond me!

Cost ?

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19 hours ago, Retired Bob said:

I noticed that XH673 had the outer wing refuelling pods when it was scrapped, I hope they end up at Cosford, their K2 is pod less.

 

Cosford do have the pods for 672 but they were removed as they were a hazard to visitors due to how low they hang. The same goes for the Valiant's main gear doors - they wanted an immersive 'so close you can touch it' experience but the aforementioned items would have restricted this as doubtless someone would have bashed their head on them.

 

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  WV908

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27 minutes ago, WV908 said:

Cosford do have the pods for 672 but they were removed as they were a hazard to visitors due to how low they hang. The same goes for the Valiant's main gear doors - they wanted an immersive 'so close you can touch it' experience but the aforementioned items would have restricted this as doubtless someone would have bashed their head on them.

I think that's called Darwinism, bashing my head on errant parts of aircraft never did me any harm.  floog ninnng pop, wibble!

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17 hours ago, Adam Poultney said:

Honestly I'm not even sure that museum wants its Vulcan then 😂 

XM597 has to be one of the most significant surviving Vulcans. It deserves a lot better than this

It's not the museum that is the problem.

The proposed new visitor centre which, would have housed both the Vulcan and, the Comet has been denied planning permissions by the local clowncil.

All because a noisy group of tree huggers got upset that 300 trees would have to be removed to facilitate moving the aircraft to the proposed new building!!

The whole area is awash with trees!! There must be thousands of them and yet.......! If I thought I could get away with it, I'd set fire to them or, chop the wretched things down myself!

The decision to refuse planning permission is under appeal but, we are dealing with a local authority here so, don't expect sense or reason to be involved in the decision making.

 

John

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@Beermonster1958 without getting political and having some past experience of such things, it’ll come down to ‘planning gain’. If PP is given there will probably be a commitment or requirement to replace the felled trees. Other measures will probably have to be thrown in too, to protect/enhance wildlife to counter the argument about felling mature trees. Maybe also have a wildlife visitor centre on site too?

 

Trevor

 

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19 minutes ago, Max Headroom said:

@Beermonster1958 without getting political and having some past experience of such things, it’ll come down to ‘planning gain’. If PP is given there will probably be a commitment or requirement to replace the felled trees. Other measures will probably have to be thrown in too, to protect/enhance wildlife to counter the argument about felling mature trees. Maybe also have a wildlife visitor centre on site too?

 

Trevor

 

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Valid points. As part of the planing application. The Museum of Scotland had  in fact pledged to plant a new woodland with, almost 1000 trees to replace those that would be cut down.

It wasn't good enough. The councilh had declared a "climate emergency" and, the feeling was that the 15 years or so it would take the new trees to mature and, become a "viable amenity" did not constitute an "emergency"  response.

 

Meanwhile, the aircraft continue to rot......!

 

John

 

Thread drift (and rant) definitely over! Apologies to everyone

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6 hours ago, Beermonster1958 said:

It's not the museum that is the problem.

The proposed new visitor centre which, would have housed both the Vulcan and, the Comet has been denied planning permissions by the local clowncil.

All because a noisy group of tree huggers got upset that 300 trees would have to be removed to facilitate moving the aircraft to the proposed new building!!

The whole area is awash with trees!! There must be thousands of them and yet.......! If I thought I could get away with it, I'd set fire to them or, chop the wretched things down myself!

The decision to refuse planning permission is under appeal but, we are dealing with a local authority here so, don't expect sense or reason to be involved in the decision making.

 

John

 

 

Planning is a none political process and should be made on a set of strict set of mostly national critera and any convenats that may stretch back hundreds of years - such as the land must remain wooded or only be used for recreational use et al. The local authority is purely the adminstrator of the process, if the  decision was deemed to be made on a political basis it will be overturned at appeal and the costs attributed back to the LA.  A good gauge will be in the planning portal - if the officers recommend approval (possibly with conditions), however the elected members choose to ignore thier recommendation of thier officers and vote otherwise there is a very good chance the decision will overturned at appeal. Everything including minutes is publically visable on the planning portal. If in doubt have look to see what the officers recommended prior to the application going to the council committee and see how the members voted.

 

This is waaaay off topic, but having pretty much having a working life wrapped up in obtaining PP, I thought it was worth a word or two about the process, trying my best to stay clear of the politics, which I have no idea about in this particular case anyway.

 

Tommo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I genuinely and honestly appreciate the concerns around the care of the historical aircraft but... is there any further news about the 'model' of the Vulcan (subject of the thread?)... like, the release date, purchase options etc.? 🙂

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On 05/03/2021 at 14:28, cherry268 said:

Jumblies had it on their site as dispatched on 30/4-21 but  see that has now slipped until 30/6/21

Probably be in time for Telford!!

If it's on

https://www.jumbliesmodels.com/plastic-kits-c3/aviation-kits-c4/airfix-1-72-avro-vulcan-b-2-aircraft-model-kit-p16755

I posted this the other day, not sure if it has changed again

Airfix just says summer

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Here's to waiting...

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On 3/20/2021 at 8:38 AM, Beermonster1958 said:

I simply cannot get round this fad for flooding panel lines with gallons of "wash"!

Is it an age thing? 😉😂.

Why accentuate panel lines on this fashion. Real aeroplanes do not have their panel joints flooded with "washes"! For sure, they do get dirty and worn but, evenly and neatly along their entire lengths?

But,  the patchwork quilt looks that are so favoured by many modellers just look (in my opinion anyway) darn silly and unrealistic.

John.

 

On 3/20/2021 at 9:39 AM, Nocoolname said:

But many aircraft still have 'lines' - the demarcation between one panel and the next and which has been accentuated by dirt, oil or other factors - and they 'do' show up, quite clearly in many cases and in photos that when reduced in size would be comparable to the scales we use.

 

But its really down to the modeller as to whether they wish to represent these as close to the image of the 'real thing' as they can (for me, in this case, I would go for a much lighter wash for selective panel areas only and aim for a more 'blended' look) or wish to go for something that is simply more pleasing to them.

 

These are after all, personal works of 'art' rather than just assembly, and driven by the imagination of the perception of the creator. There is no right or wrong way. Scale modelling is an art and a hobby and while the manufacturers put in extraordinary efforts to give us high fidelity components, the outputs are governed by imagination rather than doctrine.

 

Every build of this kit will be a 'right' build whether it has faded camo, heavy lines, bleached panels or massive go-faster stripes with a Rebel Alliance signet. 😊

 

I say to each their own and celebrate each other's choice of how to represent their model. I can't wait to get mine (please Airfix... will you put a pedal on with this...?!? :pray:) and will look to build mine a little rough and faded and will also go for airbrushed edges to the camo rather than sharp, because that's the look that I like for my models 🙂

 

On 3/20/2021 at 11:13 AM, Beermonster1958 said:

No argument here. As long as people are happy with their models, I guess everything else is moot!.

Be very boring if we all agreed with each other!!

 

John ( seriously considering the smart, clean, pristine "raspberry ripple"  colour scheme look! 😉😂

 

 

Cards on the table time - I've never weathered a model and not painted that many either. However I have been asking questions and looking at a lot of photos. So :2c:...

Setting aside the right to make your model as you wish for a moment, I find it strange that so many comment on accuracy of decals, plastic, detail level, how pumped up the tyres are, and detail at the front of a jet pipe that's all but invisible, then will present a finish that would get you shot for sabotage in some armies. Sometime ago I got my Frightening Trainer to the paint stage and had a long chat with a friend who worked on them until the end. His words 'a clean Lightning has no fluid in it and has certainly never left the ground'. I was then guided round as to what appeared, where, and why, so undercarriage bay doors clean (Usually) behind then mainly oil and hydraulic fluid, any dirt that stuck to it was removed pretty quickly. He was also pretty sure that paint would never be on an active airframe long enough to fade.

 

So BOT a display model like a showroom car should be shown at it's best to attract customers, a grubby looking specimen implies a lack of care which extends to the creation of the product. When I used to work in a paint shop the most successful car dealer was Ford. This was because they'd send us or our rivals (very even-handed) their showroom car, after having all the doors, boot, bonnet and such aligned, to have the trim, windows, fuel filler and the like removed before the masked bare body was smoothed, polished and lacquered until it was mirror finish. The window glass and other bits were given similar work before the vehicle was very carefully reassembled covered with blankets and wheeled into the showroom. The difference was he had a proper mansion with well-looked after and motivated employees, the next nearest Ford dealer had a high turnover of staff and a far more modest house on an estate. Bling sells.      

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I read (skimmed...) through all 33 pages of this thread before commenting just to be sure I was caught up on everything.

 

Personally I'd hoped for a Falklands decal option in the box, but having seen that this was originally slated for a 2020 release I suppose (on that time scale) it would have made sense to do the initial release as it is, and then a year later (give or take) offer a Black Buck boxing to coincide with the 40th anniversary of the conflict.

 

I don't even realistically have shelf space for one Vulcan, but I'll find a way to make some... that means I'm just going to wait for the inevitable re-release.

 

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