Courageous Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Hi All, With my F-86F-30 fighter-bomber now at home and heading for the spray booth, it's time to ready-up my next Sabre build. So, by popular request, I'm doing an RF-86F Recon Sabre of the Japanese Air Self-Defense Force using the 1/72 Fujimi kit, my first Sabre from this manufacturer. Usual intro: Pretty box. Wing sprue. Starboard fuselage+ sprue. Port fuselage+ sprue. Side blisters and 'blank' gun-port panels. Underside camera fairings. Cockpit glazing. Decal sheet. And obviously an instruction sheet. This will run alongside my Caudron build at my 'works' work bench and will be built OOB, unless somebody knows something I don't with this kit. Laters... Stuart 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) Nice one, Stuart. My main gripe with the Fujimis (and I think they are THE best in 1/72) is the less than snug fit of the lower wing section with the fuselage. Be prepared for a fair bit of sanding. Get it "comfortable" and dont force it as you will lose the dihedral, as I did in the early days . If you can get one, go for a resin cockpit. It really adds to the detail. Martin Edited October 25, 2019 by RidgeRunner 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 3 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: less than snug fit of the lower wing section with the fuselage. Thanks for the tip Martin. As for the resin cockpit, with the number of planned Sabres I'm wanting to do, I'll think I'll stick with the kit option. Spent the lunchtime cutting parts off the sprues. Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 They are rather expensive, of course 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre B Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) I was impressed by the cockpit glasing. First time i've seen that in 1/72 scale. Don't knew any other with those lines on the canopy... Following with interest! Sheers / André Edited October 25, 2019 by Andre B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, Andre B said: I was impressed by the cockpit glasing. First time i've seen that in 1/72 scale. Don't knew any other with those lines on the canopy... Your welcome to follow André. The 1/72 Academy kits also has type of canopy but I've managed not to use them in previous builds as I didn't know what those lines were, maybe @Sabrejet can tell us? Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 IIRC, they are the ADF sense aerials imbedded in the canopy- wait for @Sabrejet to confirm or deny. Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Yes - radio compass sense antenna; the other part of the system is the loop antenna, which is the domed glass-encased item beneath the aft canopy. Watching this with interest! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 48 minutes ago, 72modeler said: IIRC, they are the ADF sense aerials imbedded in the canopy 12 minutes ago, Sabrejet said: Yes - radio compass sense antenna Cheers guys. As a matter of interest, when were these fitted into the canopy...and please don't say 'from the beginning'? Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre B Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Courageous said: Your welcome to follow André. The 1/72 Academy kits also has type of canopy but I've managed not to use them in previous builds as I didn't know what those lines were, maybe @Sabrejet can tell us? Stuart Hi, Some pictures on the real thing (#11) in this thread about the ADF sense aerials thanks to Sabrejet... Cheers / André Edited October 25, 2019 by Andre B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre B Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 6 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: Nice one, Stuart. My main gripe with the Fujimis (and I think they are the best in 1/72) is the less than snug fi of the lower wing section with e fuselage. Be prepared for a fair bit of sanding. Get it "comfortable" and dont force it as your will lose the dihedral, as I did in the early days . If you can get one, go for a resin cockpit. It really adds to the detail. Martin I think I can be without the Pavla Resin cockpit. But the bangseat is really adds! Cheers / André 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Courageous said: and please don't say 'from the beginning'? OK, how about "While the plexiglass was still hot in the mold?" (You mess with the bull- you get the horns!) Mike I found a link to this website while looking for the answer to your ADF aerial question- doesn't have the answer, but it does have a ton of useful details and diagrams I think would be very useful for detailing an F-86F model. Granted, it's from a flight simulation, but loks to be pretty accurate as to the appearance of the real thing. http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/306240/manuals/DCS_F-86F_Flight_Manual_EN.pdf Looking at many photos that showed the canopy, I saw that the ADF sense aerials were visible in A,E, and F canopies, if that helps. Edited October 25, 2019 by 72modeler added link 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Andre B said: I think I can be without the Pavla Resin cockpit. But the bangseat is really adds! Cheers / André Agreed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted October 26, 2019 Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Andre B said: Some pictures on the real thing (#11) in this thread about the ADF sense aerials thanks to Sabrejet... Yep, following your thread but you're building D/K/L, handy stuff none the less. 10 hours ago, Andre B said: But the bangseat is really adds! I'd need a lot of bang seats and the cost that will entail. 9 hours ago, 72modeler said: I saw that the ADF sense aerials were visible in A,E, and F canopies, if that helps. It does help and shows that I should've have been using the aerial canopies from the start. Nobody has noticed the lack of them in my earlier builds, so I'll use the kit canopies with or without aerials. 8 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: 10 hours ago, Andre B said: I think I can be without the Pavla Resin cockpit. But the bangseat is really adds! Cheers / André Agreed Sshh Martin, stop trying to spend my money. Thanks Guys Stuart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre B Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 52 minutes ago, Courageous said: Yep, following your thread but you're building D/K/L, handy stuff none the less. I'd need a lot of bang seats and the cost that will entail. It does help and shows that I should've have been using the aerial canopies from the start. Nobody has noticed the lack of them in my earlier builds, so I'll use the kit canopies with or without aerials. Sshh Martin, stop trying to spend my money. Thanks Guys Stuart Well... There are actually also three F's in that build. One Heller, one HobbyBoss and one HobbyCraft. But they are all wery camerashy and I think the only parts seen yet is some cockpit parts from the Heller kit and the HobbyCraft bangseat... Cheers / André 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Funny that all the good F-86 builds are on Britmodeller. Strange too that Hyperscale (where you'd expect to see a lot) doesn't feature many, if any. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 Sorry for the slowness, been one of those weeks... As usual, the cockpit is the first place to be tackled. The parts are not that different from the Academy/ Hobbycraft kits. Parts cleaned and primed. I have fitted the seat to its ejection rail but I'm not sure whether I like the seat or not. I might see what a resin option looks like (should please @Terry1954 and @RidgeRunner) The new kid on the block is the turbine that I will of course paint but won't see any of it down the intake...well maybe, if you had a torch. Intake halves joined together and primed, also added the rear wall. Some nice detail on the side consoles but I have a dilemma on my hands in that the kit supplies decals for the consoles and i/p. So, do I sand flat the detail or leave the detail and apply the decal? Also of note are two lines of sink marks, not an easy place to fill and sand. A little further ahead, the fuselage halves. The instructions call for the slot to be added to the sides and holes added in each fuselage bottom half to facilitate the fitting of the side blisters and camera fairings. No work on the 'RF' for a week or so 'cos it's at work...and I'm not. Stuart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 ooooh, another Sabre. Resin options please me much.............! Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 7 hours ago, Terry1954 said: ooooh, another Sabre. Resin options please me much.............! Terry Me too, Terry. I understand the price issue, though. The interior set for the Sabre is a bit pricey, if you can find one. I'd certainly splash out on a seat, though, as I did eith my recent Sabre. Good progress, Stuart! Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky coffeeboat Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 That's coming on nicely, we don't often see JASDF Sabres. Regarding the floor sink marks, are you actually going to attempt to remove them? I would imagine there won't be much to see once fully assembled especially if it is painted black. Which marking option will you be using? Jeff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 1 hour ago, RidgeRunner said: 9 hours ago, Terry1954 said: ooooh, another Sabre. Resin options please me much.............! Terry Me too, Terry. I understand the price issue, though. The interior set for the Sabre is a bit pricey, if you can find one. I'd certainly splash out on a seat, though, as I did eith my recent Sabre. Good progress, Stuart! Thanks to you both. I may give a resin seat a try but the resin cockpit is a no-no, not when I have so many to do. 1 hour ago, pinky coffeeboat said: That's coming on nicely, we don't often see JASDF Sabres. Cheers Jeff. You are right, I don't think I've seen a build JASDF Sabre built here or on a table, let alone a Recon Sabre. As for the sink mark in the floor, it just bugs me. If it were an earlier black cockpit you could get away with it but a grey cockpit with the canopy open is asking for trouble, so I might try something. Haven't thought about end markings, it will be one of the OOB offerings. Stuart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted April 22, 2022 Author Share Posted April 22, 2022 Hi folks. Can't remember why this build stopped but after reeling from a club group build that I didn't enjoy one bit, thought I'd head back to familiar territory. With a suitable amount of weight fitted in the nose, the fuselage halves were joined and the joints were tidied-up using 'gloop', a first for me. The gun panels were replaced with blanking panels. Camera bays were fitted, as was the nose. Nice to be back Stuart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted April 24, 2022 Author Share Posted April 24, 2022 No wing surgery on this build, so the wings go on. Just a little filler along the wing root. Again, a bit more filler/ sanding to blend things in underside. Stuart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted April 24, 2022 Author Share Posted April 24, 2022 Question: On the underside of this Sabre, their are three camera bays with square windows with cameras, what colour do people suggest that I paint these cameras and windows? Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Nice work, Stuart. Its good to see yo back and at things with wings Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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