leyreynolds Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Apparently just prior to WW2 the Norwegian Navy used an armed Ju 52/3m for coastal patrol. Are there any details of armament, colours and markings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don149 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I wonder how the HK kit of this bird is coming along . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I heard that the test shots kept getting this weird ripply look to the outer surfaces 😉 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boffin79 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 This page is in Norwegian, but a run through Google Translate should provide you with some of the information you need:  http://forsvaretsmuseer.no/Marinemuseet/Sjoeforsvaret-organisasjon-avdelinger-og-drift-1814-2016/MARINENS-FLYVEVAAPEN-1912-1944/Flyene-i-Marinens-flygevaapen/JUNKERS-JU52-3M-1940  By the looks of it, they retained the civilian colour scheme of overall silver and black, while only adding flag stripes to the wings and rudder. Armament consisted of two M/29 machine guns (licence-built Browning M1917).  Also, the DP Casper decal sheets for Operation Weserübung contains the scheme for this particular aircraft (no. 400). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don149 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Right gingerbob , so long as it`s the right ripply look , eh ? . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leyreynolds Posted October 19, 2019 Author Share Posted October 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Boffin79 said: This page is in Norwegian, but a run through Google Translate should provide you with some of the information you need:  http://forsvaretsmuseer.no/Marinemuseet/Sjoeforsvaret-organisasjon-avdelinger-og-drift-1814-2016/MARINENS-FLYVEVAAPEN-1912-1944/Flyene-i-Marinens-flygevaapen/JUNKERS-JU52-3M-1940  By the looks of it, they retained the civilian colour scheme of overall silver and black, while only adding flag stripes to the wings and rudder. Armament consisted of two M/29 machine guns (licence-built Browning M1917).  Also, the DP Casper decal sheets for Operation Weserübung contains the scheme for this particular aircraft (no. 400). Thanks for the info', it's just what I need.  Ley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vingtor Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 14 hours ago, Boffin79 said: This page is in Norwegian, but a run through Google Translate should provide you with some of the information you need:  http://forsvaretsmuseer.no/Marinemuseet/Sjoeforsvaret-organisasjon-avdelinger-og-drift-1814-2016/MARINENS-FLYVEVAAPEN-1912-1944/Flyene-i-Marinens-flygevaapen/JUNKERS-JU52-3M-1940  By the looks of it, they retained the civilian colour scheme of overall silver and black, while only adding flag stripes to the wings and rudder. Armament consisted of two M/29 machine guns (licence-built Browning M1917).  Also, the DP Casper decal sheets for Operation Weserübung contains the scheme for this particular aircraft (no. 400). The photo in this article is not F.400 but a 1945 photo of another DNL aircraft.  F.400, with its military installations and colour scheme will be described in detail in a forthcoming book by Rob Mulder.  Nils 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boffin79 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Vingtor said: The photo in this article is not F.400 but a 1945 photo of another DNL aircraft. Yes, should have noted that in my post, but figured it would be obvious as the aircraft in the picture carries an RAF C-type roundel, and the article states that F.400 was captured by the Germans in 1940 and then lost in 1943. The drawing at the bottom is probably closer to the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 In book "Marines Flygevapen 1912-1945" by B.Hafsten and T.Arnheim (I bough it in Oslo some year ago) on page 125 there are two photos of Ju 52 F.400 from 1940. They confirms in basic principles scheme from link below 11 hours ago, Vingtor said: http://forsvaretsmuseer.no/Marinemuseet/Sjoeforsvaret-organisasjon-avdelinger-og-drift-1814-2016/MARINENS-FLYVEVAAPEN-1912-1944/Flyene-i-Marinens-flygevaapen/JUNKERS-JU52-3M-1940   However: 1. the floates are of dark colour (but not black) and strongly wethered (sides became almost NMF - not too much paint left on their sides) 2. The black areas on wings are wider going on insides to half distance to fuselage, and outside engines are also wider and have curve (concave) toward the wingtip. 3. I am not sure that the whole machine is in alu colour. It looks like light grey or some other ligh colour but rather paint (matt) not metal.  PM me your e-mail if you need more. Regards J-W    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vingtor Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I did these drawings a few years ago. The aircraft were delivered in "Emaillelack, hellgrau, Nr. 54", according to a letter from DLH to DNL, 1937. F.400 (ex. LN-DAI) was possibly repainted for its military service.  Modellers should notice that this is the civil variant, with various features that would be very hard to modify from a kit of the military version. The Revell 1/48 civil Ju 52 would be a good starting point though. Also note that there were two types of floats used on the Ju 52. Originally (as on F.400) Junkers manufactured floats. During the war, more streamlined Heinkel manufactured floats came into use. Many aircraft had their Junkers floats replaced by Heinkel floats.  Nils  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 10 hours ago, Vingtor said: I did these drawings a few years ago. The aircraft were delivered in "Emaillelack, hellgrau, Nr. 54", according to a letter from DLH to DNL, 1937. F.400 (ex. LN-DAI) was possibly repainted for its military service. Â Modellers should notice that this is the civil variant, with various features that would be very hard to modify from a kit of the military version. The Revell 1/48 civil Ju 52 would be a good starting point though. Also note that there were two types of floats used on the Ju 52. Originally (as on F.400) Junkers manufactured floats. During the war, more streamlined Heinkel manufactured floats came into use. Many aircraft had their Junkers floats replaced by Heinkel floats. Â Nils Nils, very nice profiles! So you interpreted floats as black. And overall is ligh grey, like of Douglas DT or Hover MF 11 from pre-war time? As for civil Ju-52 the "F.400" has a bit surprising both ventra and dorsal MGs position, looking very similar to the original, Junkers Ju52 bomber type...Was the conversion done with help of Junkers factory? Regards J-W Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vingtor Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 The conversion was a kit supplied by Junkers. The work was done by Norwegian Naval Air Arm technicians. Â Nils 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vingtor Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 The full story will come in this book - in Norwegian, though. https://www.europeanairlines.no/product/det-norske-luftfartselskap-fred-olsen-bergenske-coming-2016/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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