Silverkite Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 For everyone with boxes: BP-1 BP-3 BP-101 Red Dragon BP-106 Austrian Millennium Can please confirm the presence or the absence of Aim-9 pylons? Luigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas Enerdal Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Not wanting to be pedantic, but do want to know presence/absence of pylons or launchers? Pylons can be found on Draken a/c, they can carry external tanks, rocket pods, even some missiles (Falcon missiles Rb27 and Rb28). But in order to be able to fire AIM-9 (Sidewinder, in Sweden either AIM-9B or AIM-9P) you need to mount a rail launcher to the pylon. The AIM-9 missile is then mounted to, and fired from this launcher. (this system used on many aircraft, for example AMI F-104G or S) (Just to confuse matters, there are some rail-pylons as well, from wich you can fire rail-launched missiles directly. I am no expert when it comes to Draken pylons/launchers, I just cannot remember off-hand if the Draken had any such pylons, I have to look through my references at home..) At least the BP-3 kit has the forward innerwing pylon/launcher combination, part no C3 (2x). No missiles, however. see here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverkite Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Tomas Enerdal said: Not wanting to be pedantic, but do want to know presence/absence of pylons or launchers? Pylons can be found on Draken a/c, they can carry external tanks, rocket pods, even some missiles (Falcon missiles Rb27 and Rb28). But in order to be able to fire AIM-9 (Sidewinder, in Sweden either AIM-9B or AIM-9P) you need to mount a rail launcher to the pylon. The AIM-9 missile is then mounted to, and fired from this launcher. (this system used on many aircraft, for example AMI F-104G or S) (Just to confuse matters, there are some rail-pylons as well, from wich you can fire rail-launched missiles directly. I am no expert when it comes to Draken pylons/launchers, I just cannot remember off-hand if the Draken had any such pylons, I have to look through my references at home..) At least the BP-3 kit has the forward innerwing pylon/launcher combination, part no C3 (2x). No missiles, however. see here I'm just after Hasegawa stupidity of choosing to omit said pylons ONLY from certain boxes while including it on the others, I scavenged the web but I can't find pictures of the contents of said boxes... call it OCD Luigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrahs Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 BP-3 has the forward pylons with launch rails, but no launch rails for the belly or underwing pylons. I'm not sure if the underwing pylons themselves change for the sidewinder (apart form adding the launch rail), what's in the kit would fit the Falcon's but IMO doesn't quite look like what's in the images over at https://lae.blogg.se/2016/october/fox-two-svedala-sidewinder-kommer-till-sverige.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob G Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 This may help. At the very least you'll get sprue maps from the instructions. You may want to adjust Filters to taste. https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/m/search?typ1_c=102&cat=&state=&sold=0&sortid=0&searchkey=Hasegawa+draken+72&Make=Hasegawa&spage=1&Typ2Cd=105 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas Enerdal Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I've tried to check this yesterday evening, I cannot say if I succeeded. This is what I've deducted so far, please note that I said deducted, I'm not 100% sure. -The pylons F5 were used for AIM-4 Falcons, both RB27 (semi-active radar) and RB28 (IR). The pylons include integrated rails and therefore need no extra rail launchers. They were mounted under the outer wings (as in the kit) and/or under the fuselage (where the extra tanks, with their T52 fuel tank pylons (kit parts D5 & D6) are mounted on the model) Without having the kit myself (I'm a 1/48 modeller) i think they are part no C5 in kits -Swedish sidewinder rail launchers are the same whether mounted on J29 Tunnan, J32 Lansen, J34 Hunter or J35 Draken. The rail is considered as an external store in itself and is not a part of the aircraft. From pics it looks like Hasegawa has captured them OK, it is the luncher part of kit part C3 -The pylon part of kit part C3 is peculiar to the J35J with its forward mounting under the air intake/forward wing (as in the kit) -Sidewinders, with their rail launchers, are monted under the outer wing or fuselage on pylon S5. This is slightly similar in shape and details to the F5, but much lower and shorter. As a service to modellers, Saab published 3-wiew plans i 1/72, showing versions up to J35F, including Danish F-35/TF-35 and Finnish 35S. These have been reproduced in IPMS UK IPMS Magazine Nov/Dec 1981 and Jan/Feb 1982. The plans also included detailed 3-wiew drawings of the pylons, published in th Jan/Feb-82 issue. Another very useful reference in english is the Aerofax Minigraph 12; Saab J35 Draken ISBN 0-942548-17-5 If you find a copy, get it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverkite Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 Thanks gentleman! Scavenged the web even more it seems like their habit of playing hide and seek with Draken kits worked like this BP-1 No BP-2 Yes BP-3 Yes BP-101 No BP-106 No 00047 01929 01968 02004 and 02281 Yes 00386 No All SP boxes for Area88 (both old and new), Ace Combat and Idolmaster do come with them, ditto for Revell boxes Luiigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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