Plumbum Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I was searching for a subject other than AJG and I noticed my Airfix decals had AJS with nose art. I can not confirm it either way. The decal is on the left front fuselage and appears to be a stick figure with angel wings and a halo. It is real hard to see as the decals are old and it is white on white paper. It looks like there are letters below it, UMA maybe? I have seen something like this on another British plane, The Saint? Did S for Sugar really have nose art on the dams raid?---John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnl42 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I cannot provide any authoritative info except to note that Amodel's 1/144 kit appears to agree, at least in principle. HTH -- dnl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumbum Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 Thanks, I did some digging. AJ-S was ED865, Airfix's AJ-S is ED912 and was flown in December 1943. It had crashed and was destroyed in Holland on May 17, 1943. This plane made a "later" dams raid?---John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 According to Mark Postlethwaite's and Jim Shortland's book Dambusters in focus (Red kite) ED865 AJ-S was shot down over Luftwaffe airfield in Holland during Chastise operation. There is no indication this aircraft was decorated with nose art. In the same book, however, there is a photo of F/L Kearns' crew standing in front of 464 type Lancaster ED912, already equipped with SABS bomb sight and with the Saint nose art. It is said that it was in this plane F/L Kearns and his crew had flown their first operation with 617 Sqn, bombing of Antheor viaduct on 11th November 1943. I am almost certain the nose art had been been added post-Chastise. The photo in question can be seen on this forum along with more information about this topic. Cheers Jure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jure Miljevic said: I am almost certain the nose art had been been added post-Chastise. The nose art is post-Chastise. Terry Kearns joined 617 after the op and the nose art was his design. Cheers, Tim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Didnt Les Monroe have artwork on the nose for the Dams attack ??, can't remember if it was a panda bear ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mancunian airman said: Didnt Les Monroe have artwork on the nose for the Dams attack ??, can't remember if it was a panda bear ?? He had it on a later one very definitely but I'm not sure about the William he flew in Chastise. Probably one of the DB experts will be able to say for sure. I only know about Kearn's one as I plan to build mine in the same scheme and there was quite a bit about him and the aircraft over at the Wings over NZ forum a few years back. Edited October 17, 2019 by Smithy Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumbum Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 Thanks for clarifying the nose art and viaduct attack after Chastise. I do remember searching for FAA F4U Corsairs and seeing a very similar nose art, The Saint, on an FAA Corsair in the Pacific theater but don't remember which British carrier it was on.---John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 For younger followers, the stick figure with halo (sans wings) was the symbol of Leslie Charteris's popular private detective/James Bond predecessor in a large series of books - later starring Roger Moore in a popular TV serial. In a rather nice Volvo, very exotic in those days. It appeared on a number of WWII aircraft, in a range of variations. It was supposedly carried on a Sea Hurricane on Operation Pedestal: I reckon I can just about make it out on 7.E but with a Byzantine halo rather than the Western one. Not every one sees this, I must admit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 13 hours ago, Johnv said: It looks like there are letters below it, UMA maybe? Not so far away. I've just been looking at the reasonably clear photo in the link in Jure's post 4. I reckon it says "ITMA", which for younger followers was the name of a popular radio comedy programme of the period, the letters standing for "It's That Man Again". Two references to contemporary culture in the one piece of artwork. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
593jones Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Not nose art, but according to Max Hastings in his book 'Chastise', Bill Astell's radio operator, Sgt Abram Garshowitz, chalked on the aircraft 'Never has so much been expected of so few'. Hastings doesn't say on which part of the aircraft it was written, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 ED925 / AJ-M had "OFFICERS ENTRANCE ONLY" chalked on the fuselage forward of aft entry door / below serial for the Dams raid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Yes, F/L Hopgood's aircraft. There is a photo which shows the part of wreck in question in Helmut Euler's book Als Deutschlands Dämme brachen. Unfortunately, I could not find it on the web. Cheers Jure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 12 hours ago, Jure Miljevic said: Unfortunately, I could not find it on the web There's a copy on the WNW page for their upcoming Dambuster kit in the archive photo's section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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