71chally Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 @Seahawk, from memory yes the jet pipe nib fairings in the S.1 were smaller. What I was getting at is that it would be great to see a modern tool conversion with more detail etc to specifically fit the new Airfix kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 On 10/01/2020 at 23:01, 71chally said: @Seahawk, from memory yes the jet pipe nib fairings in the S.1 were smaller. What I was getting at is that it would be great to see a modern tool conversion with more detail etc to specifically fit the new Airfix kit. Definitely much smaller When I built my pair of S1s I carved tons (OK lots) of plastic off the jet pipe fairings and even now looking at it I suspect I ought to have kept filing... A beautifully modelled new conversion set is being cried out for Somebody 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Maybe on @general melchett's radar? Dandy build though Bill! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general melchett Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Quote Maybe on general melchett's radar? Never say never chally.....I'll have a word with my pet Blue Parrot, old Airpass III, and see what he reckons 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, general melchett said: I'll have a word with my pet Blue Parrot, old Airpass III, and see what he reckons Not Speckled Jim! Seriously, it would be great to see a new S.1 conversion, and maybe even a new recce crate. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general melchett Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Quote Not Speckled Jim Shhhh...we don't want Martian Hale to get wind of this, lord knows what can of worms will be overturned! Totally agree James, a nice shiny S.1 would definitely be welcome (1/24th would be nice), and to think, there's one sitting pretty, not that far from Melchett Towers 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vit79 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Colleagues, tell me such a moment. When did the MDC (miniature detonation cord) appear on Royal NAVY buccaneers S2 canopy ? In the variants that the new Airfix offers, should there be a MDC on canopy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I think it was around 1972/73, but will need to double check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vit79 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) So on the planes that the new airfix gives (1971 and 1972) there was no MDC? I would be grateful if anyone confirms this information. Thanks Edited January 15, 2020 by vit79 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Looking at other threads here it looks like MDC was gradually fitted from 1971, that puts the kits options right in the middle of the change. One visual way of confirming MDC or not, Non MDC had three large ejection seat style triangle markings on the port side, under the canopy. MDC types had two large ejector seat triangle markings under the canopy, and a much smaller one applied to the canopy itself, directly below the centre arch, both sides of the aircraft. I'm away from computer at the moment so can't link to references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Looking at pictures of the Airfix decal sheet I would say that both options are for non MDC equiped aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vit79 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 11 hours ago, 71chally said: 8 hours ago, 71chally said: Looking at pictures of the Airfix decal sheet I would say that both options are for non MDC equiped aircraft. Thanks for help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, vit79 said: Thanks for help I'll have a rummage through the AP's toningt and see if I can pin a date down for the mod. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vit79 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, canberra kid said: I'll have a rummage through the AP's toningt and see if I can pin a date down for the mod. John Ок, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 11 hours ago, vit79 said: Ок, thank you It looks like 1970 was the introduction of this MDC mod. John 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vit79 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, canberra kid said: It looks like 1970 was the introduction of this MDC mod. John Now i started to doubt whether to do MDC or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, vit79 said: Now i started to doubt whether to do MDC or not If you use the kit options, then no MDC. The explosive warning triangles are the confirmation. If you you choose to do a different option, use photographs as references, again the warning triangles are the key, and are usually more visible than the MDC itself. The warning triangles would only change when the MDC was actually fitted. Unless you can find tech records for the actual aircraft involved this is the only way to check if your subject is pre or most MDC Mod, as it would have taken time to fit the system across the fleet. Edited January 17, 2020 by 71chally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vit79 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 5 hours ago, 71chally said: If you use the kit options, then no MDC. The explosive warning triangles are the confirmation. If you you choose to do a different option, use photographs as references, again the warning triangles are the key, and are usually more visible than the MDC itself. The warning triangles would only change when the MDC was actually fitted. Unless you can find tech records for the actual aircraft involved this is the only way to check if your subject is pre or most MDC Mod, as it would have taken time to fit the system across the fleet. Thank you very much! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) These lovely pictures by my good friend Chris England show what I mean, No MDC; port side, three large and equal sized ejection seat style markings. The rear triangle is hard to see at some angles due to its position behind the engine inlet Note, though it is '021-R' it is not XV154 January 1972 of the Airfix kit, but XT275 July 1972 Stb'd side, two large triangles only this S.1 shows the positions better, MDC fitted: both sides, two large and equal size warning triangles, with one much smaller warning triangle on the canopy frame directly under the whiteish centre arch. RAF the same Edited January 17, 2020 by 71chally 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Just to reinforce Challys post above. The third and foremost triangle on the port side showed the aircraft was fitted with the automatic underwater ejection system I believe. If you read the MDC modification spec sheet shown in previous posts you can see that this was removed once the MDC mod was fitted: Hence the third warning triangle was no longer needed. My thumbs up for a new S1 conversion too please cheers Jonners 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 14 hours ago, Jon Kunac-Tabinor said: Just to reinforce Challys post above. The third and foremost triangle on the port side showed the aircraft was fitted with the automatic underwater ejection system I believe. If you read the MDC modification spec sheet shown in previous posts you can see that this was removed once the MDC mod was fitted: Hence the third warning triangle was no longer needed. Jonners I don't think that's correct Jonners. The third triangle is also seen on early RAF Buccaneers which weren't fitted with underwater ejection (and of course RN jets retained that system but lost the third triangle), it referred to the canopy jettison system pre MDC. My understanding is that the underwater escape system didn't merit its own warning marking as it was part of the seat system. I wonder if @canberra kid AP shows the markings text? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin ritchie Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Another request for ihelp , Does anyone have detailed pics/ diagrams of the underfusalage Chaff Flare dispensers by the airbrake , I have the odd pic , but no clear details of the entire assembly , which is a pity as I'm in the process of scratchbuilding it for my 32dn Buc Thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 1:19 PM, 71chally said: I don't think that's correct Jonners. The third triangle is also seen on early RAF Buccaneers which weren't fitted with underwater ejection (and of course RN jets retained that system but lost the third triangle), it referred to the canopy jettison system pre MDC. My understanding is that the underwater escape system didn't merit its own warning marking as it was part of the seat system. I wonder if @canberra kid AP shows the markings text? HI - sorry if I confused. My understanding was it was related. The mod sheet seems to imply the UES was removed when the MDC was fitted and that RAF Buccs didnt need an underwater system anyway. So perhaps there is a changeover period while RAF ones were modified? I think we need an answer! LOL cheers Jonners 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 1:19 PM, 71chally said: I don't think that's correct Jonners. The third triangle is also seen on early RAF Buccaneers which weren't fitted with underwater ejection (and of course RN jets retained that system but lost the third triangle), it referred to the canopy jettison system pre MDC. My understanding is that the underwater escape system didn't merit its own warning marking as it was part of the seat system. I wonder if @canberra kid AP shows the markings text? Here you go James John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 10 hours ago, colin ritchie said: Another request for ihelp , Does anyone have detailed pics/ diagrams of the underfusalage Chaff Flare dispensers by the airbrake , I have the odd pic , but no clear details of the entire assembly , which is a pity as I'm in the process of scratchbuilding it for my 32dn Buc Thanks Does this help Colin? John 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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