Hook Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 On 10/5/2019 at 9:46 PM, shortCummins said: O don’t know if this is a “what-if” or “real” scheme It's a real scheme - pre-war Luftwaffe splinter, RLM61/62/63 over RLM65. This was the standard scheme before the greens RLM70/71 were introduced. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 36 minutes ago, Hook said: It's a real scheme - pre-war Luftwaffe splinter, RLM61/62/63 over RLM65. This was the standard scheme before the greens RLM70/71 were introduced. Cheers, Andre thanks for the info Andre much appreciated rgds John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 I glued the ‘spar’ to the “lower” half of the wing, the lower part will become the upper side when the wings are attached. The “upper” half(s) were then attached. The centre section of the spar was removed with a razor saw. Next the wings were separated. I had to see what they’ll look like attached to the fuselage so I used some blue-tac to hold them in place. next I’ll be building outer engine nacelles. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenoz Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Looking good so far, splendid idea too... enjoy mating the booms to the wings... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DalekCheese Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Coming on great! Might a red stripe round the fuselage work on the camo? 🤔 could look good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom216 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 That's turning into a cool beast of a plane! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 On 05/10/2019 at 20:46, shortCummins said: However, whilst trawling the internet I came across this, sorry I don’t know who built this or the website it came from but its a really interesting scheme, anyone know if its a ‘real’ scheme? while the ju87A wore this scheme, I think the only B where Hungarian, and I think it might be different, as it's not a splinter pattern the above is pre war, with the triangular markings, wartime is below, note the fin stripes some profiles are pretty poor, IIRC these are actual Hungarian colours (which are Hungarian versions of the 61/62/63 scheme) which you may find interesting? And I owe you a PM.... which I will do later, a i now need to do something else... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpopandchips Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 What a fantastic build so far, the wings up there make me think of a what if MK1 X-wing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 17 hours ago, Silenoz said: Looking good so far, splendid idea too... enjoy mating the booms to the wings... thanks Silenoz I'm still thinking about how to attach the booms, should be interesting rgds John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 17 hours ago, DalekCheese said: Coming on great! Might a red stripe round the fuselage work on the camo? 🤔 could look good. thanks DK I'm probably going to paint the rudders red, possibly the all of the vertical stabilisers rgds John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 14 hours ago, Thom216 said: That's turning into a cool beast of a plane! Thanks Thom its working out more or less as I'd hoped so far rgds John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 11 hours ago, Troy Smith said: while the ju87A wore this scheme, I think the only B where Hungarian, and I think it might be different, as it's not a splinter pattern the above is pre war, with the triangular markings, wartime is below, note the fin stripes some profiles are pretty poor, IIRC these are actual Hungarian colours (which are Hungarian versions of the 61/62/63 scheme) which you may find interesting? And I owe you a PM.... which I will do later, a i now need to do something else... thanks for those photos, I like tri-colour camo' I'm tempted to do variation of that scheme rgds John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, rockpopandchips said: What a fantastic build so far, the wings up there make me think of a what if MK1 X-wing. ha ha, I hadn't thought of that but I do see what your suggesting rgds John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenoz Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 with regards to the booms... think first step is making the engine sections, then cutting some material from the middle of the rear parts to make them thinner (in the drawing on page 1 they seem thinner and longer, in the dryfit they seem short and bulky...) then maybe a styrene frame sidings (sprue-runners at the inside to keep both parts at distance, and styrene sheet on the outside to make it smooth) to have some body in the middle... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Silenoz said: with regards to the booms... think first step is making the engine sections, then cutting some material from the middle of the rear parts to make them thinner (in the drawing on page 1 they seem thinner and longer, in the dryfit they seem short and bulky...) then maybe a styrene frame sidings (sprue-runners at the inside to keep both parts at distance, and styrene sheet on the outside to make it smooth) to have some body in the middle... thanks Silenoz that's good advice on building the frame sidings rgds John The kit gives you the option of showing the engine covered or uncovered, this is fortunate for me as I’ll use the covered versions for the booms and an uncovered engine for the centre/fuselage one. I followed the Airfix instructions to build up the covered engines. Once again I wanted to get an idea of how everything looks… next I’ll be trying to fit the outer engine nacelles. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Have you thought about...... Move the booms inboard a bit, over the machine gun mounts? The wing is that little bit stronger there. Of course then those outer propellers would interfere with the central propeller. So, extend the nose 5 - 10 mm which would give plenty of clearance. This also moves the CG forward which would counterbalance the weight of the gun at the rear. Back then these engines were started with a crewman winding a handle, so that would have been interesting for the centre engine! The other option is to ignore me. probably best 😄 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Just a thought om masrkings, have you looked at WW1 german, they had lots of stylish fuslage markings, and also some very large gothic kind of crosses... as many WW1 kits have multiple options, these mayhbe out there in spares land ... eg https://www.eduard.com/eduard/albatros-d-v-1-48-1-3.html a wild card would be lozenge fabric decal, possibly some for the 32ns scale kit for a different look? Wpould also be bigger sheets, and thus cover the stuka parts.... https://www.aviattic.co.uk/132-lozenge-decals.html And there is also the camo colours, uppers in green and purple... and here's the lot.... hope of use 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 13 hours ago, Pete in Lincs said: Have you thought about...... Move the booms inboard a bit, over the machine gun mounts? The wing is that little bit stronger there. Of course then those outer propellers would interfere with the central propeller. So, extend the nose 5 - 10 mm which would give plenty of clearance. This also moves the CG forward which would counterbalance the weight of the gun at the rear. Back then these engines were started with a crewman winding a handle, so that would have been interesting for the centre engine! The other option is to ignore me. probably best 😄 thanks Pete the position of the booms isn't set in stone, yet, I'm minded to attach the boom engines slightly in from the front of the wing so the outer props will be behind the centre one anyway. I'm also trying to work out how I can make the rear of the booms longer as suggested by Silenoz as I think it will make her look more balanced. please keep the suggestions coming, I may not always use them but they do give me valuable options rgds John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 10 hours ago, Troy Smith said: Just a thought om masrkings, have you looked at WW1 german, they had lots of stylish fuslage markings, and also some very large gothic kind of crosses... as many WW1 kits have multiple options, these mayhbe out there in spares land ... eg https://www.eduard.com/eduard/albatros-d-v-1-48-1-3.html a wild card would be lozenge fabric decal, possibly some for the 32ns scale kit for a different look? Wpould also be bigger sheets, and thus cover the stuka parts.... https://www.aviattic.co.uk/132-lozenge-decals.html And there is also the camo colours, uppers in green and purple... and here's the lot.... hope of use thanks for those Troy rather than German crosses I've made-up my own version... I think I've settled on a variation of the splinter scheme where I'll use three colours RLM02 as the "base" colour with dark green and either black or brown, similar to the Hungarian schemes you showed me earlier, however I'm really quite a long way from thinking about paint and it could all change. rgds John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 29 minutes ago, shortCummins said: please keep the suggestions coming, I may not always use them but they do give me valuable options I was thinking this might look good with nose gear instead of a tail dragger setup ? Might give it a more aggressive stance on the ground. Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 35 minutes ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: I was thinking this might look good with nose gear instead of a tail dragger setup ? Might give it a more aggressive stance on the ground. Dennis thanks for the idea Dennis unfortunately I think this would be beyond my skills, at the moment, but I agree it would make it look more aggressive. rgds John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 in this months Eduard magazine... https://www.eduard.com/out/media/InfoEduard/archive/2019/info-eduard-2019-10en.pdf they showcase a Finnish Blenheim Mk.1F built by Robert Szwarc with a black and green camo'... I really like the contrast and think this could work well as a tri-colour splinter camo rgds John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 21 hours ago, Pete in Lincs said: Back then these engines were started with a crewman winding a handle, so that would have been interesting for the centre engine! I forgot to mention earlier, kinda like what happened to Pat Roach in the 1st Indiana Jones film 😉 rgds John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorby Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Looks good so far but I was wondering how you're going to paint it with the wings that close together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 30 minutes ago, Gorby said: Looks good so far but I was wondering how you're going to paint it with the wings that close together. ha ha, so am I Gorby rgds John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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