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Bozothenutter

Uh ....oh.....Panther V2

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Was gifted a Dragon Panther V2...

Now this is happening.....

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Hinges are wrong....

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Removed strengthening ribs

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First attempt at hinge

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Casting marks

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Holes filled

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Dovetail and armour modified

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Sanding down the turret ring

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Great attention to detail and nice work so far. Yet another example of a kit launched to great acclaim in the usual places that turns out to be rather less than expected. 

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That is definitely something involving for people that line to mess around with the kits more than just ootb building. Good luck and have fun.

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2 hours ago, SleeperService said:

Great attention to detail and nice work so far. Yet another example of a kit launched to great acclaim in the usual places that turns out to be rather less than expected. 

Thb, most of the reviews were scathing, basically it is a half hearted parts bin special...

But think of it as a transkit and it makes more sense.

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39 minutes ago, Soeren said:

That is definitely something involving for people that line to mess around with the kits more than just ootb building. Good luck and have fun.

It's called 'doing a Soeren' 😉

Basically as a result of ADHD, I start a lot if good ideas....but never finish...😔

There are only six pics of this thing, should be doable, even for me!

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Don't tell me about Soeren. I am going to start a thread in the SciFi Section soo.

 

Looking forward to your super detailing of various kit parts  ;)

That is an art in itself.

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At first I was just going to add the casting stubs...
Then I noticed that the sides of the round part are vertical instead of angled.
So I'll scrape'm a bit....
But then the bolt holes won't look right as the lower diameter needs to be bigger.
Which means the flat casting needs to be slightly bigger or there will be no space for a flat edge around the outside...
The round part needs to flow smoothly into the flat part
Also the top seems machined as it is really flat
The radiator cap cover needs to be raised a bit
Does anybody know what that cap looked like?
As the kit just has a circle with a blob...

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On 10/2/2019 at 8:56 AM, Andy350 said:

Looking forward to this one.

Me too mate....really need to finish stuff....

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At least you will have a very unique piece of kit after all these amendments. Keep that track report so you always remember what detailwork went into this :thumbsup:

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Just noticed another thing...
Remember how early Ausf.D's had modified vent covers (removed the radiator bit)
Turns out the sole Ausf.D remaining has one of these modded covers, and it is different from the V2 cover

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Working on the turret

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Filled the ww1 trench trying to pass for a weld, proper weld detail to follow.

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Cupola seemed off to me.

In the bottom pic there seems to be almost as much material above as below the view port, the kit part has less below the view ports. So height was increased.

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Test fitting for looks

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Picture I'm working from.

The cupola seems correct for an Ausf.D btw, that did have a slightly lower version it seems.

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Amazing, I am learning a bit of scratch building from here as well.

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Wanted see trough cupola...

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Had some acrlic rod lying around, periscope areas are sanded flat  a thin coat of Tamiya clear with a touch of green will bring them up nicely.

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More small jobs done..

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The seam was scraped at a right angle, it will be filled with a weld.

The pencil lines are where welds should be aswell, though barely visible on the pics.

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I was going to use PE and wire for the handles

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But I thought it looked poo-poo..

So I scraped the kit part, cut off one handle and turned it around as per the pics

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Only second time I have used my resistance solderer in anger

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Obviously working on the Aber smoke can set.

Use the base for the Pz IV btw, the mounting bolt pattern is horizontal on those.

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Might as well share the research:

 

Mind, this all relates to the Dragon kit!
 

Hull:
large exhaust muffler with sheet metal cover and exhaust on top into which the two exhaust pipes vented
Turretlifting rings with a round base which also hold the smoke dispensers at the front, slightly raised from turret roof
Ladder on left side (standard crew ladder?)

Kit engine cover hinges are wrong, need to be reversed and no visible bolts (bolted from underneath, tapered head bolt)
Remove ribs on final drive, the ribs are from the upgraded FD
Remove raised edge on front of deck, can’t see it in pics
Flatten filler port and add camfered edge, seemt too high and squarish to me
Add lozenge shaped inspection hatch on engine plate near front engine compartment hinge
Add hatch stopper near rearmost hinge (part is in kit from Ausf.D)
Add bolt near handhold on engine hatch (square keyhole?)

Add another near left fan cover (plug?)
Add lifting hook on left past 3rd hole from top of engine cover plate (seems like standard location on Ausf.D)
Add corresponding hook on other side near hinge of engine cover (seems like standard location on Ausf.D)
Add lifting hook centre rear of engine cover (V2 had 3 hooks)

Remove all bolts from engine cover plate, it seems for the pics only the corner bolts were used
Add square keyhole above filler cap right of centreline, and corresponding plug? on other side
Rebuild fan covers:

Angle on outer edge of circle, base a touch larger, but minimal extra around the fan cover

Add casting stubs and sand flat on topside so it looks machined.

Oppsite the radiator cap does not have any horizontal surface

Right side fan cover has left side machined for engine hatch clearance
Add bolts to fan cover plates 8x
Correct hull rear side extensions at rear need to be flat like the rest of the top of the side plate

Roof plate lies on top of sideplates, is narrower than hull top (see photo of engine with all covers removed)

Carve ledge for roof plate/side plate to add weld (convex weld)

Front roof ‘weld’ is too far forward if you draw lines on the side plates to scale thickness of front plate

Rear plate either falls within the side plates or on  the side plates (not decided yet, but this decides where the weld goes)
Replace 32mm front plate on bottom with 16mm plate (lowered front plate into hull)

Inspection hatches on bottom seem too thick

Add welds on all mating surfaces, they seem slightly recessed

Lower edge of sideplates needs camfer as it was cut was at right angles, weld goes on this camfered edge

Same for front plate wher it mates to bottom of sponson

Fill holes on bottom of sponsons for schurzen

Remove ‘bolts’ from bottom of sponson

Cut slots in bolts on side of hull where shocks go (if shocks were on a different station they might have to be moved)

Front plate ‘weld’ seems in to high a position aswell calculated scale thickness and draw a line
Rear plate should be same height as roof plate, added strip to rear plate to make it higher

Should have no front hatch plate on hull if built as in pics (can’t do that as no interior)

No hull periscopes in pics
Barrel travel lock should be symmetrical

Turret to hull clearance should be minimal


Dunkelgrau RAL7021
 ' 2 ' on the glacis
Numberplate IIN 0687

Front plate hangs from tow holes with wire and teardrop shaped chain

Rear plate hangs from top exhaust tube by coarser chain

18 bolt rims

V1 First and eight swing arms had shocks (V2 aswell?)
V1 delivered end of September (V2?)


Turret:

Cable for smoke dispenser goes trough right angled (cut'n shut) tube( 90deg angle) in front of mounting bracket
Thickness:

Rear 45mm
Front 80mm
Side 45mm
Thin down cupola mount ring, kit rings seems to high compared to pics

Narrow ‘ramp’shape on cupola mount ring from kit compared to pics

Add extra ‘ramp’shape to cupola mount ring to left of original

Cupola mount ring should be almost on the edgeof rear and side plate (proverbial gnat’s bottom)
Cupola needs increased height on bottom, metal above and below should be almost equal thickness(slightly less on bottom, but more than kit part, Ausf.D seems lower that V2 item)

4x tiny loop on barrel surround of mantlet

Add thin piece of sheet to left side of mantlet to equalize thickness

Remove rain gutter from mantlet

Add casting mark circles on front

Proportions of welds on the sides are wrong, copy from pics

Fill keyhole on rear hatch

Remove small tab on rear hatch

Add better conical bolts to rear and side (1mm)

Make cupola hatch handles more 3D and reversed one

Fill seam on top of turret, weld should be narrower

Remove small triangular supports from under fixed part of matlet and front plate

Add welds

useful bits:
Aber 35A117 for rear boxes?
Voyager Model - No. VBS0504 barrel
Aber Fenders 35-A110 Ausf.D fenders
Aber R-34 smoke dispensers

 

 

 

 

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Talk about AMS...

A well respected member on ML gave me some pointers on what was wrong with the Dragon kit.

After a flurry of measurements and conversions, it turns out the kit is fine and Dragon did their homework.

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Turn out the gentleman was right, the mantlet is offset, but the gun is centered

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Made a width jig

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And a sawing guide

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Second cut

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