AdrianMF Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 Rear planing surfaces done, Starboard front surface done: On 29/10/2019 at 17:24, limeypilot said: what happened to the Sunderland Here you go. Tail surfaces, slightly cut down: The wings and floats will also be making an appearance, but not much else! This picture also shows the temporary card template that I have tacked on to show me where the chine is. The filler squeezes up behind that so and helps to start the fuselage side too. I'm learning: getting closer to the final shape when putting the filler on, reducing sanding; and being prepared to do two coats of filler, the second thin coat being easier to manage. Thanks for looking, Adrian 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 Pretty happy with that: Where did all this dust come from?? Thanks for looking, Adrian 20 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 The old Isopon filler is working well for you. Taking on a nice shape. Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 That's working nicely! This is going to need a reinforced table to sit on, it will weigh a ton! Ian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheonix Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 The planing surfaces at the front are excellent - not easy to achieve but you have got it. I agree with Ian this is going to weigh a ton and a bit - even lifting it will need a crane! P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Very interesting topic! Your approach is "ab initio"... I am thinking some years already on converting Sunderland to Empire but so far I was considering use of heavily surgered Sunderland fuselage (one horizontal cut and few vertical cuts). I have to re-think on this perhaps, but anyway I will look with great interest on your build! Fascinating! Regards J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Wow!! Massive endeavor!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 Well a cheeky filling session before work this morning: I held a piece of 15 thou plastic card against the filler hard up against the bulkheads while it was drying. It peeled off cleanly, leaving me with very little sanding to do. It has also captured the transition between the vertical sides and sloped nose perfectly. The only downside is that I didn’t have a free hand to drink my tea with! Thanks for looking, Adrian 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 12 hours ago, JWM said: heavily surgered Sunderland fuselage I did have a look at the fuselage, and in particular the front planing surfaces, but in the end I thought it would be easier to have complete control over the shape rather than try to fit things that don't really fit back together. The Sunderland fuselage is much more rounded than the Empire, which is quite boxy. Regards, Adrian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, AdrianMF said: I did have a look at the fuselage, and in particular the front planing surfaces, but in the end I thought it would be easier to have complete control over the shape rather than try to fit things that don't really fit back together. The Sunderland fuselage is much more rounded than the Empire, which is quite boxy. This is true. So better avoid something in a half way between Empire and Sutherland like Empland or Sutherire J-W 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandboof Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 This is impressive . Looking like an Empire boat . Martin H 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 I'm glad you used Balsa internally as this would have the weight of a brick! Stuart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 I’m beginning to think this might not end up in tears... Thanks for looking, Adrian 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather Kay Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Crikey! That’s looking rather splendid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Im really impressed with your work and so far its looking like a winner. This may be one of my more favorite builds in a long time. Dennis 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Hi Adrian, Looking good - do you have to do much work on the wings - I guess the engines will be different? Sorry if you have covered this already! Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheonix Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 That is going together remarkably quickly. It also looks very good indeed - I must keep this method in mind for possible future projects. P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggles.w Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Great work! Nice to see an ‘additive’ process in contrast to ‘subtractive’ methods elsewhere in this group. I’ve speculated on such a method before .. I wondered how one would know if sanding had gone too far .. thought maybe red or black marker on the outer edge of each bulkhead .. then you could see if you’d got too enthusiastic with the sanding. But you don’t seem to have had the issue? The outcome looks very true to form to me, the complex under-surfaces in particular. Excellent Adrian! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonners Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Blimey! Where did that Empire suddenly spawn from?? This is getting me thinking about trying this technique for an obscure project of my own that I've been contemplating. I have the plans, the references and a tin of P38, but also other stalled projects and household redecorating glaring accusingly at me! Keep at it, Adrian; this is good stuff and makes a refreshing change from fully-plastic builds. Jon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) By heck, Adrian, this is moving along at a pace. How many have you done using this method? Impressive! Dennis Edited November 2, 2019 by DMC Correction 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Fantastic work Adrian, looking rather nice. Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Great project Adrian and a superb start too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrlx Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Hi Adrian, I'm really impressed by your meticulous work! It's taking shape beautifully! I may have to reclassify it as scratch build project Cheers Jaime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 18 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: looking like a winner Thanks Dennis! I'm hoping for a finisher... 18 hours ago, PeterB said: much work on the wings The wings are pretty much the same but are mounted slightly further out with less sweepback than the Sunderland. I will be putting some card at the tips, filling the whole thing and re-scribing like I did on the Frog Oxford in the Trainers GB earlier this year to get the right aileron and flap lines, and I think the nacelles need thinning out a bit. The cowlings and propellers are pretty crude by modern standards so I will be making my own. The tail surfaces only needed a bit of trimming, so they are done bar a bit of detailing. 17 hours ago, pheonix said: this method I've never been too good at carving anything substantial out of wood, and I have "history" with car filler, so it works for me. 11 hours ago, greggles.w said: maybe red or black marker on the outer edge of each bulkhead Exactly what I am doing with a sharpie. In the pictures you can see the black edges looming through the filler as I get close, then you can see the white where I am actually sanding into the bulkhead. Because of my hand-eye inaccuracies, I treat each bulkhead as a suggestion rather than gospel - the main thing being to get a smooth line down the fuselage and a good average. 10 hours ago, Jonners said: trying this technique Go for it! But keep your hobby room door closed because of the smell or the whole household will be after your blood! 10 hours ago, DMC said: How many have you done using this method? Strictly speaking, only the Fairey Long Range Monoplane (see "shelf of shame" in my signature) but I used to do a lot of figures and horses from plastic padding when was a lad, so I'm used to the smell. 4 hours ago, jrlx said: reclassify it as scratch Well a Sunderland to Empire is like a Lancaster to a York, so it's a conversion really, just with a jolly big fuselage bit... And here's progress to this afternoon, thanks to appalling weather in London: But sadly I am told that shopping can be done in any weather, so there I have to park it! Thanks for looking, Adrian 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Poultney Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Is it even worth using the Airfix components? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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