Marklo Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Actually the engines look more like laquered brass which wouldn’t be unreasonable for the era. Personally if I’m in doubt on an inter war build I go for gloss black or battleship grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 I spent some time studying in photos the control cables that go to the tail, having found a great variation depending on the type of plane, which makes sense given the different cabin lengths and types and remaining space. This plane had a large control horn on the nose over the right side, and elevator cables were routed partially externally. I drilled some small holes for some cables that are pertinent to this version. Photos revealed areas of walkways around the engines, which are being replicated with two layers of home-made decals, a color base and texture on top: 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I'd question laquered Brass on the engines as they would be unnecessarily heavy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Quote I'd question laquered Brass on the engines as they would be unnecessarily heavy. True, but I've never seen gold paint from that era either. It'd be much more likely to be battleship grey or PC10. But it's Moa's party and he can cry if he wants to... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Marklo said: but I've never seen gold paint from that era either. Errr....It's difficult in black and white photos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Marklo said: It'd be much more likely to be battleship grey or PC10. Nope, it won't. Here two takes of the same plane at the same time, from different angles, with that change in reflection I mentioned long ago here. No grey, no PC10, no brass (for the obvious reasons John stated) nor black -as you also mention somewhere above-. This is the last of my comments on this particular subject. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) I won’t argue the case (just wait till you see the liberties I take when I finish the pink thing ) I’m a big fan of pleasing colour on models, it can be almost impossible to figure out a given colour from old photos and I’m no rivet counter. I must say the gold looks very nice against the pc10. I’ve worked on colour matching in my professional life and even with the latest technology it can be extremely challenging. Oh and if you want an exercise in colour frustration try to get a clear opinion on what colour a British mk IV heavy tank should be ( I eventually went for chocolate. Brown) or google 4bo ( soviet military green) Edited January 29, 2020 by Marklo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Holden Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 10 hours ago, Marklo said: It'd be much more likely to be battleship grey or PC10. But it's Moa's party and he can cry if he wants to... Looking at those photos Moa attached, I would say they are indeed Battleship Grey (a semi-matt medium grey). One of the most common colours for metal cowl panels on WWI British aircraft. Nothing unusual or contentious there at all..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Note in the upper photo that the sunlight from a high angle is touching on the front cowls and the rear of the nacelles The metal parts will be marginally smoother than the fabric areas so slightly more reflective. I think that the prop blades would also have been Grey with a natural wood centre. Perhaps the lack of contrast is due to the type of film used. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Roger Holden said: Looking at those photos Moa attached, I would say they are indeed Battleship Grey (a semi-matt medium grey). One of the most common colours for metal cowl panels on WWI British aircraft. Nothing unusual or contentious there at all..... I suggest you open a new thread somewhere else to discuss any aspect of this you may like. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Holden Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Moa said: I suggest you open a new thread somewhere else to discuss any aspect of this you may like. No need; your photos have eloquently answered my questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 The walkways and the tail decals already in place. The top decal of the walkways is smaller, leaving an all-around edge seen in photos: 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Nav lights can be seen in photos, on the wingtips and tail end. Here are the ones for the wings, which look a bit like magic lanterns, having one lens to the front and another to the side: 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Those lamps (fabulous by the way) beg the question - when did nav lights come into common usage on aircraft? Not something I have thought about before, just taken for granted. They are certainly not seen on WWI aircraft. AW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 17 hours ago, Moa said: I suggest you open a new thread somewhere else to discuss any aspect of this you may like. Yes enough on the colour debate. This is my AT&T DH4a, it probably should be gloss black not blue, in fact there is a thread somewhere debating this, many contributors on this forum said the same, but 1) I had already painted it blue and 2) It's my model and I think the blue looks nicer. So there. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 7 hours ago, Andwil said: Those lamps (fabulous by the way) beg the question - when did nav lights come into common usage on aircraft? Not something I have thought about before, just taken for granted. They are certainly not seen on WWI aircraft. AW Not all HP O/7 had them, and I don't think I can see them in the civil O/400. The plane I am portraying is from 1922, but I have no idea when they came into use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Holden Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 11 hours ago, Andwil said: beg the question - when did nav lights come into common usage on aircraft? Not something I have thought about before, just taken for granted. They are certainly not seen on WWI aircraft. AW Following a mid-air collision involving a DH18 and Farman Goliath in 1922. This accident was the first serious one between airliners and brought forth a whole raft of safety regulations, including the introduction of navigation lights and rules for passing between oncoming airliners based on nautical practice: https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19220407-0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1922_Picardie_mid-air_collision 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Started with the rigging of the tail unit: 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 At this point in the build things seem to slow down, progress doesn't look as dramatic. Instead, details and careful handling absorb a large amount of time, but the results are usually lost to the glancing eye. Handles and tail light: A suspicious discharge outlet in the restroom area: A control horn not present on other version, to which external control cables will be attached: Windshields: 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 28 minutes ago, Moa said: A suspicious discharge outlet in the restroom area: The poop chute? Chris 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 58 minutes ago, dogsbody said: The poop chute? Chris Doubt it, that may be dropped down from the floor, not side. Intriguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 The sink waste pipe may have vented to the side? One of the contemporary cutaways for the Short Empire Boat labels such an arrangement but I haven’t identified it on a photo yet. Regards, Adrian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 39 minutes ago, AdrianMF said: The sink waste pipe may have vented to the side? One of the contemporary cutaways for the Short Empire Boat labels such an arrangement but I haven’t identified it on a photo yet. Regards, Adrian I think that's a very good guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Your control horn photo shows a nice close up of the side windows with a sneaky look inside, exquisite. Stuart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 What are you using for the rigging Moa. I'm sticking with my Beadalion for my HP, but yours looks very very neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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