SleeperService Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 The Yak-130 has beautiful surface detail and economics hasn't changed since. 1 hour ago, Ka-Efka said: Removing raised rivets: relatively easy Adding recessed rivets: very easy Removing recessed rivets: cumbersome / hard Adding raised rivets: very very hard I've just amended that for you One of my on and off projects is a Huey and I've yet to find a quick and painless method of adding the mushroom rivets the things are covered in. I'd pay more if it meant building out of the box and may get more than one. As it is it'll be one very carefully chosen subject. I'll bet I'm not alone. Helicopters aren't as sensitive to surface detail as aircraft and this Hind seems to ignore that which is a shame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flarpen Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Adding raised rivets isn't that hard Just apply resin rivet decals, quick and easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCZ Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Yup - Hasegawa AH-64 have raised rivets - and it is still one of most beautiful kit of helo ever.... and still best Apache in any scale. But more older a cheaper AH-64 from Academy have rivets too... And for Hind are rivets typical (same case is Black Hawk etc...). But... is good a Zvezda made new quarter scale kit,, for reasoneable price , nice armanent and shape accuracy. And rivetr give a Devil... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperService Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 4 hours ago, flarpen said: Adding raised rivets isn't that hard Just apply resin rivet decals, quick and easy. True but I'm looking for some that give good, consistent results. I have had several offerings that were variable. I've had good results using the spheres out of water filter cartridges dropped into the recessed rivets on the UH-1. I just need to find a better way of sifting the sizes. Remember we do this for fun.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinistervampire319 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 On 3/17/2020 at 3:18 PM, AlCZ said: Zvezda´s small scale Hind was "humped and warped" - as real helicopter. I can´t wait for 1/48. But i can´t understand why haven´t rivets.... I must hope for GWH rivet decals.... But is gorgeous, we have after forty years complet new HIND Kit. And in decals is CZAF machine ! Niiiice. I asked them on their Facebook page yesterday. It would be great if they would. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stakor Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 15 hours ago, SleeperService said: True but I'm looking for some that give good, consistent results. I have had several offerings that were variable. I've had good results using the spheres out of water filter cartridges dropped into the recessed rivets on the UH-1. I just need to find a better way of sifting the sizes. Remember we do this for fun.... And you put single sphere like that? Ball by ball??? Maybe quarantine is a good time for that right after the garbage trip dressed as a dinosaur... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger331 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 On 3/16/2020 at 9:44 PM, Nocoolname said: Rivet Rivet Rivet Rivet... Absolutely................some people really need to get a life 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperService Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 21 hours ago, stakor said: And you put single sphere like that? Ball by ball??? Maybe quarantine is a good time for that right after the garbage trip dressed as a dinosaur... You've been watching the local CCTV haven't you?? When I start a model session I always have a straightforward job - rivets, individual link tracks, aircraft stencils that I do to get 'warmed up'. That sets me up for the issues that arise later. The pre-drilled pits make it a reasonable proposition. In my defence SleeperDad does meticulous restorations of motor cars so I blame him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) Considering the lack of rivets, there's already a project going on by Arma Models in Russia. Source: https://www.facebook.com/Arma.Models/posts/2844063762347979 V.P. Edited March 20, 2020 by Homebee 8 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 Source: https://www.facebook.com/Arma.Models/photos/a.983145225106518/2828655757222113/?type=3&theater V.P. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerbannog Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 On 19/03/2020 at 05:44, sinistervampire319 said: I asked them on their Facebook page yesterday. It would be great if they would. No. There is another one... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) Sprues Source: https://vk.com/zvezdamodels?w=wall-29859496_2554357 Quote Друзья и коллеги! Всем доброго субботнего вечера! В течении этой недели мы активно изучали ваши комментарии под новостями к нашей новинке - Ми-24 в масштабе 1/48. Мы понимаем, что концепция модели без клепки и с упрощенной деталировкой кабины придется по душе далеко не всем. Но причина проста - мы запланировали большую линейку модификаций этого вертолета. И клепка на этих модификациях заметно отличается. С целью унификации отливок и удешевления цены модели мы решили не делать её. Аналогично - с объемными панелями приборов в кабине. Зато мы хотим порадовать вас весьма и весьма гуманной ценой на модель - она составит 1990 рублей! Именного этого мы и хотели добиться! Недорогая модель, которую с удовольствием соберут начинающие, а профессионалы получат отличную основу для творчества! Кстати, мы поправили форму остекления кабины, к которой были замечания на наших моделях в 1/72. Кроме этого в модель был внесен ряд других изменений, учитывающих замечания к "младшему брату" в малом масштабе (втулка несущего винта, детали двигателя и тд). Ну а понять примерный список планируемых модификаций можно взглянув на нашу линейку этих вертолетов в 1/72. А что бы новость не выглядела пустой стеной текста - мы приготовили для вас несколько фотографий тестовых отливок. Есть еще несколько огрехов, которые скоро будут исправлены. Серия уже не за горами! Спасибо вам за ваши отзывы, они делают нас лучше! Googled : Friends and colleagues! Good Saturday evening! During this week, we actively studied your comments under the news for our new product - the Mi-24 in 1/48 scale. We understand that not everyone will like the concept of a model without riveting and with simplified cabin detailing. But the reason is simple - we have planned a large line of modifications of this helicopter. And the riveting on these modifications is noticeably different. In order to unify castings and reduce the price of the model, we decided not to do it. Similarly, with volumetric instrument panels in the cab. But we want to please you with a very, very humane price for the model - it will amount to 1990 rubles! This is exactly what we wanted to achieve! An inexpensive model that beginners will be happy to collect, and professionals will get an excellent foundation for creativity! By the way, we corrected the shape of the cabin glazing, to which there were comments on our models in 1/72. In addition, a number of other changes were made to the model, taking into account the comments on the "younger brother" on a small scale (main rotor sleeve, engine parts, etc.). Well, you can understand the approximate list of planned modifications by looking at our line of these helicopters in 1/72. And so that the news does not look like an empty wall of text - we have prepared for you several photos of test castings. There are a few more flaws that will be fixed soon. The series is just around the corner! Thank you for your feedback, they make us better! V.P. Edited March 21, 2020 by Homebee 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nocoolname Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Awesome! So what that I'll be breaking out the riveting wheel or the HGW set it's fantastic news that a new version of this model is out. And yes I really like the sound of Kittyhawk's proposed version but I've yet to see any of their other proposed kits (e.g. Whiskey Cobra) and this is at least a cert. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinistervampire319 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Nocoolname said: Awesome! So what that I'll be breaking out the riveting wheel or the HGW set it's fantastic news that a new version of this model is out. And yes I really like the sound of Kittyhawk's proposed version but I've yet to see any of their other proposed kits (e.g. Whiskey Cobra) and this is at least a cert. Kittyhawk is getting better. But with their track record, you have to be reserved as to what it will be like. I understand Zvezdas explanation if they do multiple versions. Then why no rivets. Also the price will be really nice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonlanceHR Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 8:29 PM, SleeperService said: True but I'm looking for some that give good, consistent results. I have had several offerings that were variable. I've had good results using the spheres out of water filter cartridges dropped into the recessed rivets on the UH-1. I just need to find a better way of sifting the sizes. Remember we do this for fun.... Look for solder balls. Available for peanuts down to 0,2 mm dia. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperService Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 10 hours ago, dragonlanceHR said: Look for solder balls. Available for peanuts down to 0,2 mm dia. Genius! Thank you for the tip. Off to find them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 I really like this approach! Just thinking when I last time resorted to a pure plastic kit cockpit anyways.....most time at least some OE or resin upgraded go in there.... would not not see why this habbit could change suddenly! Rivets? Hmmm not sure what techiques will win here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Snelten Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 As for rivets, maybe HGW Webfarben for the rescue? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperService Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 On 3/22/2020 at 8:38 AM, Kim Snelten said: As for rivets, maybe HGW Webfarben for the rescue? Welcome to BM @Kim Snelten ! First I'll admit that I live with a high level of OCD which I am on medication for. I've used HGW before and had mixed results on the overall effect. Some seem much better than others no matter where they're sourced from. However the technology is improving rapidly and I hope the dedicated set referenced above works well. I note that there is one strip missing in the photos provided so it seems the adhesive doesn't work too well on bare plastic - yet. Very strange decision by Zvezda as this could be (like the Spitfire XIV for Airfix) a very good seller. EDIT: Upon reflection I can understand why Zvezda have done what they have. If more versions follow so much the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudikoff Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) So, they basically upscaled the 1/72 without adding some of the extra detail expected in this scale (like rivets or raised cockpit details). I guess it remains to be seen how much will it cost with aftermarket rivet decals and the cockpit set compared to the competition where those will be included with the kit, I guess (KH and hopefully Anetra eventually). Edited March 22, 2020 by Dudikoff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold55 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 At a price of 1990 Rubles that is less than $25 for the kit at today's conversion rate which is a phenominal deal. You could buy a lot of rivet wheels for the difference between this and where Kittyhawk will most likely end up at. Anyway you slice it this is a good deal on a new kit that will should fit well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCZ Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Because HIND is one of most popular, favourite and important subject in Czech Republic i excepted a lot of aftermarket sets from czech companies., I´m sure a Eduard make many P.E. and resin (Brassin) sets.... And when was base price of kit low, you can simply tuning it.... In small scale have Zvezda "Rambo Helicopter" (Early Short nose Hind from Afghanistan), Mi-35M (Not to be confused with import designation of Mi-24V ) with non retractable landing gear, new rotor and avionics, standard Mi-24V (this release)... And when Ed make an Löok (printed dashboard) set i haven´t problem with "flat" cockpit. This is a same case as 1/48 B-17 -. i never build this machine in quarter scale, because current kit was very old.... and inaccurate. (I know, a twenty years ago, make a Mini Hobby (With similar style of artwork when you can see in Trumpeter/HobbyBoss) but is no longer availeable -and Zvezda is more accurate in shape.... So...what is problem ? Yup, when was Zvezda´s quarter scale Hind for price around 50-100USD (Euro) i have problem with this. But for price around 25Euro ? (640CZK ?) - No problem... Zvezda have nice kits.... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 ...the damn thing leans, that's the most important thing for me! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 Instructions & schemes V.P. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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