Serkan Sen Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 Here is the famous Italeri kit to be used as base for this kitbash: The kit was partially built as I bought it from Xbay: Also the injection molded parts have very rough surface quality as we identified 🙂 But all of these issues are not problem because the kit will be extremely modified/sanded/butchered 🙂 Serkan 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serkan Sen Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Robert said: Looking forward to this Serkan as l was looking for a companion to my U2 l did recently. No mention of the Hasegawa/Academy SR-71 is there a problem with it ? Regards Robert Hi Robert, Building a correct SR-71 is real big problem directly OOB. In Fine Scale Modeler forum there is a nice thread about the Blackbird kits available in market (click here). Regards Serkan Edited September 23, 2019 by Serkan Sen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 @billn53, Amazing! Somebody who knows what photographs to take for modeling! Amazing detail photos- thanks so much for sharing them. I have saved these puppies for future reference. Wonder what the deal is on those rust-colored walls on the nose wheel bay? Composite material or titanium? Just curious, I guess! Mike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 19 minutes ago, 72modeler said: @billn53, Wonder what the deal is on those rust-colored walls on the nose wheel bay? The rust colored stuff is thermal insulation material. - Bill 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT7567 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 6:09 PM, Serkan Sen said: Please let me know if I missed anything else to be modified/corrected which is not listed above. Serkan One other feature I believe is unique to the "first flight" A-12 is separate rudders on the vertical stabilizers (later revised to "all moving" verticals). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Serkan Sen said: Also the injection molded parts have very rough surface quality as we identified 🙂 But all of these issues are not problem because the kit will be extremely modified/sanded/butchered 🙂 Serkan The attractive feline assistant obviously thinks it makes a good scratching post. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Not my era, but I'm definitely up for a build with major alterations and improvements! Ian 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serkan Sen Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 42 minutes ago, CT7567 said: One other feature I believe is unique to the "first flight" A-12 is separate rudders on the vertical stabilizers (later revised to "all moving" verticals). Do you have any reference picture? The pictures I have found do not show any rudder. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT7567 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, Serkan Sen said: Do you have any reference picture? The pictures I have found do not show any rudder. Unfortunately nothing definitive, but the photo in post #26 *may* show this - you can see the rudder area distinct from the adjacent vertical tail surface. This drawing from the Aerofax 'Blackbird Family' book is my basis for the initial comment: The above image is included in the section with A-12 and YF-12 three-views so is presented as more than simply a design study, however the text doesn't seem to have any reference to this design change so as I said this isn't definite. Obviously there wasn't an abundance of cameras at Groom Lake to make this easy to resolve. 😕 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serkan Sen Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, CT7567 said: Unfortunately nothing definitive, but the photo in post #26 *may* show this - you can see the rudder area distinct from the adjacent vertical tail surface. In post #26 do you refer the photo with my cat? 😁 The engine run test photo shows that both inboard and outboard elevons are there and upward deflected. Also from the same photo it seems to me that the vertical fins have no rudder.🤔 But in any case I won't deflect the control surfaces in my build. 😀 Serkan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 19 hours ago, Serkan Sen said: I definitely accept your kind offer regarding to have some detailed pictures of A-12. I haven't found any picture that shows Q-Bay positions on real aircraft... It would be great if I could get some pictures of exact position of camera windows. I think it should not be matter how many times she has been repainted as long as the windows are still there 🙂 Serkan I'll contact the Space & Rocket Center and ask permission to crawl under their Blackbird for photos & measurements. That might take some time. - Bill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serkan Sen Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 4 hours ago, billn53 said: I'll contact the Space & Rocket Center and ask permission to crawl under their Blackbird for photos & measurements. That might take some time. Thanks lot Bill. May I ask for further help please? I have some doubts about the windshield and canopy dimensions. Yesterday I have compared Italeri/Testors parts with Revell/Monogram ones and they are significantly different. To me none of them has the correct shape. Revell parts are too wide and Italeri parts are narrow. Would it be possible to get dimensions of windshield's triangle shape width (base) and height? Thanks in advance Serkan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serkan Sen Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 On 9/23/2019 at 10:59 AM, Robert said: No mention of the Hasegawa/Academy SR-71 is there a problem with it ? Yesterday I have found this site which reviews all Blackbird kits available in market. This is really great work!.. Serkan 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serkan Sen Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 Ok, before starting lift off surgery I need to know which parts to be removed and what to be modified. Therefore I needed a reference top and side view photos of A-12 plane. There are many side view photos but it was not easy to find top view one... And here is the planform view of Italeri kit: I made top view drawing based on reference photo: Here is my drawing (not completed yet) And then I mapped this drawing onto kit surface: To be continued 🙂 Serkan 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Looks good! The nose should be a little more pointed but otherwise pretty damn close! Ian 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serkan Sen Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 7 hours ago, limeypilot said: Looks good! The nose should be a little more pointed but otherwise pretty damn close! Ian Hi Ian, The nose will get pitot tube with pointed root. Serkan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serkan Sen Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 Here is the side view check. And the close views of side and top views: From above drawings moving cockpit area forward by 6.15mm, correcting chine shape and nose cone will fix the issues. Another solution is to add an 6.15mm insert to the end of nose part and reshape only chine and nose cone. This requires reinforcements at nose and chine area from inside before starting reshaping. To me the second option is easier than moving all the cockpit area forward. Serkan 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarec Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 I'm following this with great interest. Much nice research here! I have the intention to build a 1/72 YF-12A some day, and have understood that it was based on the A-12 and preceeded the SR-71. A pity that the Italeri 1/72 YF-12A is out of production, but it may be possible to backdate a SR-71. Ragnar 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolay Polyakov Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 23/09/2019 at 18:36, Serkan Sen said: The pictures I have found do not show any rudder. This can help: There’s not an all-moving surface: So... I’m in! The Blackbird is a greatest plane ever made, it’s ahead of its time and that time, too! Good luck, Serkan! And please, some more pictures of your beautiful companion/inspector... 😸 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorenSharp Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Ooooo you can count me in on this build. Did anyone bring popcorn? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolay Polyakov Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, LorenSharp said: Did anyone bring popcorn? How about the crackers?! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorenSharp Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 That will do fine! Cookies! and chocolate chip to boot! Don't know if They'll dunk well in Guinness, but a faint heart never won a faire maiden.😎 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Nikolay Polyakov said: How about the crackers?! Mmmmm! Cookie good! Mmmmmmm! Me like cookie! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serkan Sen Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Nikolay Polyakov said: This can help: Thanks for these beautiful SR-71A photos Nikolay. The question was related to first A-12 during the first flight. Also I am greatly appreciated for your very kind message 🙂. By the way I am still working on my Flanker projects in parallel. As you can see in my profile picture "Flankerstein" is very close to RFI. 🥳 Serkan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme H Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 On 24/09/2019 at 21:28, Serkan Sen said: Ok, before starting lift off surgery I need to know which parts to be removed and what to be modified. Therefore I needed a reference top and side view photos of A-12 plane. There are many side view photos but it was not easy to find top view one. After long search phase in web I have found one which shows 60-6938 in front of "Battleship USS Alabama Memorial Park Museum" Aircraft pavilion. I made top view drawing based on reference photo: Here is my drawing (not completed yet) And then I mapped this drawing onto kit surface: To be continued 🙂 Serkan Interesting that the chine seems to be a straight line on the real one from probably about just aft of the cockpit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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