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1/48 - Boeing B-17G by HK Models - Release Oct 19

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Its a kit that's certainly caught my eye as a casual modeller, its the right scale, it looks really detailed inside and out, perhaps only the paint decal schemes might be more interesting? ... But that is all highly subjective, this is where AM will come in for those that need it ... and I am sure it will for this release.

I'm no expert and prefer being a casual modeller, but the nose section near the cockpit seems to have been addressed compared to their 1/32 kit ... This is a good move from the company as a subject I think, a good B17 in this scale is well overdue and welcome.

I think the glow and anticipation about this kit is warranted/justified.

 

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Assuming you want to do something similar to the Airfix Fortress III configuration you will need to find or make all the extra parts to convert the day bomber to RAF night bomber configuration that Airfix provides - some detail here

https://www.airfix.com/uk-en/forum/airfix-172-fortress-iii/?p=1/

 

Note also that the Airfix kit is a Cheyenne tail turret version which the HK kit isn't, at least not in the version currently scheduled. So you would need to find a 1/48 Cheyenne turret as well. Either that or wait until HK produce a Cheyenne version, which is possible later on as they have tooled the fuselage to have separate tail turret parts.

 

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19 hours ago, Richard123 said:

Thanks for the help. Do you know if the RAF Fortress had the offset waist gun position please?

Cheers

The RAF had Fortress IIIs with both staggered and unstaggered waist guns, as well as the earlier tail turret as depicted in the new HK kit. 
 

Here’s one:

https://flic.kr/p/2hAuhP7

 

I can’t get the picture to imbed properly as using my phone, but hopefully the link will work. 
 

The one pictured still has the ball turret in place. These were nearly always removed when in service. Other than removing the ball and sourcing the H2X scanner, you’ll be good to go from the HK kit. 
 

Tom

 

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Did PB-1W’s have staggered waist gun stations?? Sorry for the ignorant question. I think the USN B-17s were late G’s but I have seen photos suggesting both staggered and non

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Thanks for the help, much appreciated. Need to get to work on the radome. Thanks for the photo Tom, I rather like the fact it still has the ball turret in place. Bit more work for serials and markings and wait for the kit to turn up. Hopefully by the nationals.

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12 hours ago, B-17 man said:

I’d love to see this with English translation. 

If you're on a PC with Windows, just right click and scroll down to "Translate Page". I'm in Chrome when I do this, so unsure if it works in other browsers.

 

Steve

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Having had a look at those pictures, the tail wheel opening needs correcting too! The opening is symmetrical, but shouldn't be. Still a nice kit, but some simple errors that basic research should have picked up.

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5 hours ago, fightersweep said:

If you're on a PC with Windows, just right click and scroll down to "Translate Page". I'm in Chrome when I do this, so unsure if it works in other browsers.

 

Steve

Same is valid for Edge with the translation plug in installed. Result is usable. 

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2 minutes ago, Ka-Efka said:

Same is valid for Edge with the translation plug in installed. Result is usable. 

Same here. Certainly not the best translation, but I got the drift of the article.

 

Steve

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On ‎10‎/‎26‎/‎2019 at 1:18 PM, 28ZComeback said:

Did PB-1W’s have staggered waist gun stations?? Sorry for the ignorant question. I think the USN B-17s were late G’s but I have seen photos suggesting both staggered and non

PB1-Ws were all late-build G models with staggered waist guns and Cheyenne tail turrets - as far as my research goes anyway.

 

Tom

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3 hours ago, tomprobert said:

PB1-Ws were all late-build G models with staggered waist guns and Cheyenne tail turrets - as far as my research goes anyway.

 

Tom

 

Tom: I had the nose blister for 42-107039 that I want to build identified as a F style nose blister, probably replaced at some point as a combat repair. I thought that was interesting, but has certainly got me scratching my head as where to get a F style nose blister in 1/48. I'm told the Revell item is only suitable for the Memphis Belle. Has anyone done vac replacements? I can't find any anywhere.

 

Steve

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44 minutes ago, fightersweep said:

 

Tom: I had the nose blister for 42-107039 that I want to build identified as a F style nose blister, probably replaced at some point as a combat repair. I thought that was interesting, but has certainly got me scratching my head as where to get a F style nose blister in 1/48. I'm told the Revell item is only suitable for the Memphis Belle. Has anyone done vac replacements? I can't find any anywhere.

 

Steve

Hi Steve,

 

Yes - it would have been delivered with the standard G nose and quite likely the earlier F-style nose was fitted as a replacement at some point. 
 

The Revell nose is no good for what you need as it has the twin gun openings which Memphis Belle used. Your most likely source is a set of vacformed noses by Koster. I think it was called ‘The B-17 nose job’ and gave a whole number of noses from the E style set up to the late, short nosed G glazing. Unfortunately they’re very hard to come by, but it’ll have the nose cone you need. 
 

Another alternative would be to fill the gun holes on the Revell nose cone and use it as a master to vacform a new nose for your G. That’ll give you the correct style. 
 

Tom

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On 24/10/2019 at 23:18, Richard123 said:

Is it possible to build a Fortress III from this please? I know it'll need the radome but is the rest of it ok?

Thanks

 

On 25/10/2019 at 11:24, Work In Progress said:

Assuming you want to do something similar to the Airfix Fortress III configuration you will need to find or make all the extra parts to convert the day bomber to RAF night bomber configuration that Airfix provides - some detail here

https://www.airfix.com/uk-en/forum/airfix-172-fortress-iii/?p=1/

 

Note also that the Airfix kit is a Cheyenne tail turret version which the HK kit isn't, at least not in the version currently scheduled. So you would need to find a 1/48 Cheyenne turret as well. Either that or wait until HK produce a Cheyenne version, which is possible later on as they have tooled the fuselage to have separate tail turret parts.

 

 

On 25/10/2019 at 12:02, Richard123 said:

Thanks for the help. Do you know if the RAF Fortress had the offset waist gun position please?

Cheers

The details depend on the airframe being modelled, the RAF got a variety of B-17's,  which varied in detail depending on the US block number and manufacturer

This book, has detail of of the US serial blocks, and then the corresponding RAF serials, with what that means for the appearance...

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I've posted this before as for the equipment fit, cut n pasted from a previous thread
For ECM aerials and the like you [probably] want the "airfcraft of 100 group'' by Martin Streetly, originally a series in Scale Models around 1980 or 81 IIRC, later published as a book.
it was aimed at modellers so has details of what was fitted where, inside and out and camo schemes too.
Long out of print [and expensive used] , Amazon has one for £30 and post...
but pdf's are available online if you search....and before anyone moans it's been out of print for 30 years or more!!!!

Just checked the  link

https://dfiles.eu/files/hbqunyag2

The file is available. It's a .rar file, so you need 7-zip to un-rar, then it's a pdf.  

 

it is still THE modellers reference for 100 Group AFAIK.

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"Aircraft of 100 Group".

I have this feeling that this book or amalgamation of the two books (there were two weren't there by same author?) was released in more recent years? Unfortunately I cant lay my hands on any confirmation just now.

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Quick Google shows "Confound and destroy" also by Martin Streetly. Available via Amazon £4.89 +pp.

Cant find my copy just now so can't confirm contents.

Might be worth a look.

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1 hour ago, chrisov said:

"Aircraft of 100 Group".

I have this feeling that this book or amalgamation of the two books (there were two weren't there by same author?) was released in more recent years? Unfortunately I cant lay my hands on any confirmation just now.

Don't know.  Aircraft of 100 group only shows one edition on Amazon and Abebooks.  

1 hour ago, chrisov said:

Quick Google shows "Confound and destroy" also by Martin Streetly. Available via Amazon £4.89 +pp.

Cant find my copy just now so can't confirm contents.

Might be worth a look.

Confound and destroy is a history of 100 group,  though it was done as a hardback and paperback.  A review on Amazon says it has an appendix on aircraft detail

 

Aircraft of 100 group is A historical guide for the modeller,  as it says on the cover, it has history, but is really about the planes, their equipment, how this appears, and their markings.

 

In the case of the B-17, it has the US block numbers, what they were then serialed in RAF used and what this means for external appearance, waist window types and position, type of tail turret fitted etc, as well as the 100 group fittings,  internal and external.

 

The only improvement on it would be more of the photos the profiles are drawn from.

 

Most of the book was published initially as a series of Articles in Scale Models magazine in 1980-81, which is where I first read them,

 

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So, should we be seeing this kit for sale now ... given the thread title? Always thought that date was a bit ambitious given it was only recently announced.

Just wondering.

Definitely up for one and its perhaps fine its not out yet? have seen the projected price and I think thats worth it, but up to my limit on scale modelling expenditure this month and next month having just bought a Tamiya 1/48 P-38, if it hits UK shores for Christmas I'll be happy, it looks a great kit.

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I’m hoping there will be some at Telford. I try not to get kits when I’m there but feel a mortgage is needed this year 😂😂

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Found on HK Facebook HK Models Official Plastic Modellers Page

 

Bob Tauber

 

This is HK Models, soon to be released 1/48 scale B17G (Early Production). This is a review sample that I received from HK Models, and I did this quick unpainted build to check fit and function and to get familiar with the kit. The build went very smoothly, with all major parts, wings, tail plane, fuselage, and landing gear fitting without issue. As a matter of fact, the wings have the same positive locking design as it's 1/32 scale big brother requiring no glue with proper dihederal being maintained. All the clear parts fit extremely well from the outside. All very well engineered!! The surface detail is very refined and to scale. Included are 2 photos of Neil Yans test build where he did a wash to make the surface detail pop! I've been a serious Fan of the B17 since age 11, now in my 60's, have accumulated many books, built many Revell/ Monogram B17's over the years, and have been around quite a few 17's, including as a volunteer tour guide during the 10 year restoration of Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby. I'm here to say, that this model builds up to be correct looking B17, with the correct stance! The only issue is that she sits just a little too high, because of the oleo strut being just a little too long. But this is minor and does NOT effect the overall look. Complete interior is included, with complete bomb bay with doors in open position. Also nose hatch and waist side entry door are separate and can be posed open. Be careful with the machine gun barrels as they are very small and fragile. My tail gun barrels flew off the table and into the abbis of the carpet, but fortunately I had 2 spare brass gun barrels that I was able to use. This kit came with 3 top turret domes, for an E, F and G. You also get early G waist windows and late G waist windows. Out of the box, waist gun opening is the cut out for an F, with instructions on how to EASILY open the bottom edge for the G enclosure. I have it on good authority that an E/F kit is coming sometime next year. Basically, this is a scaled down version of their 1/32 scale design, but with corrections to the forward windshield and nose directly in front of the windshield. Decals are high quality Cartograf, with markings for (2) 8th AF planes (camo 91st BG, and silver 486th BG aircraft). The Revell/Monogram B17G and F are great kits and with lots of aftermarket stuff, can be made to look very credible, but this kit is much superior and a MUST if your a fan of the Flying Fotress! I would recommend several kits under your belt before tackling this one and follow the Instructions. Again, thank you Neil Yan of HK Models for the review sample!! Any comments and questions are certainly welcome!!

 

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