SeaVenom Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 I've been meaning to finish my Draken off for ages in this well know scheme but I don't know how to do the shedload of yellow squares,, https://modelingmadness.com/review/korean/mansdraken.htm Unless they're imaginary markings that Airfix made up I'm surprised Hasegawa hasn't done this scheme yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Probably the easiest way is to paint the yellow on the bare plastic first, then carefully cut some suitably sized square masks out of Tamiya tape and paint the camouflage colours over the top. The other method is to buy a sheet of sold yellow decal paper and cut all the squares the correct size! Both applications sound pretty tedious however they might work out. I believe there’s also a sheet of yellow checker squares available, however trying to match these to the correct size may be very difficult. Cheers. Dave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy da fish Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Have a look at maestro models site they do a sheet of yellow squares other colours available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre B Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) There is these decals... https://www.fantasyprintshop.co.uk/shop/euro-decals-swedish-air-force-fluorescent-squares-ed48110/ And these... https://archivmw.modelforum.cz/view.php?cisloclanku=2008040009 Cheers / André Edited September 18, 2019 by Andre B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 6 hours ago, SeaVenom said: I've been meaning to finish my Draken off for ages in this well know scheme but I don't know how to do the shedload of yellow squares,, https://modelingmadness.com/review/korean/mansdraken.htm Unless they're imaginary markings that Airfix made up I'm surprised Hasegawa hasn't done this scheme yet. Scan in the Airfix decals, resize to1/48 and print on decal paper! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christer A Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Ah, the "Övning 68" squares! They were quite the rage at a large exercise in 1968 after the coup in Czechoslovakia, here is a quick summary (but in Swedish) https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/information-och-fakta/var-historia/artiklar/o68/ Both yellow and red squares were used. There is actually decals available for it in 1/48 https://www.rebell.com/swedish-air-force-fluorescent-squares-9468.html 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre B Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Christer A said: Ah, the "Övning 68" squares! They were quite the rage at a large exercise in 1968 after the coup in Czechoslovakia, here is a quick summary (but in Swedish) https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/information-och-fakta/var-historia/artiklar/o68/ Both yellow and red squares were used. There is actually decals available for it in 1/48 https://www.rebell.com/swedish-air-force-fluorescent-squares-9468.html Only far more expensive at Rebell Hobby compared to Fantasyprintshop in UK I am afraid (#4)... Cheers / André Edited September 19, 2019 by Andre B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christer A Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Andre B said: Only far more expensive at Rebell Hobby compared to Fantasyprintshop in UK I am afraid (#4)... Cheers / André D'oh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaVenom Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 Thanks all. Good ideas and didn't realise those decals exist so I'll get some of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 @Sea Venom https://www.fantasyprintshop.co.uk/shop/euro-decals-swedish-air-force-fluorescent-squares-ed48110/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre B Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 6 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: @Sea Venom https://www.fantasyprintshop.co.uk/shop/euro-decals-swedish-air-force-fluorescent-squares-ed48110/ Same as #4 in this thread? Cheers / André Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Ah yes..... i missed that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Found a set of Airfix decals in good order in my defunct kits decal bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy da fish Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Surly Paul J the Airfix decals would be for a 1/72 aircraft where as Hasegawa’s Draken is 1/48? simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theplasticsurgeon Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 On 9/18/2019 at 3:41 AM, SeaVenom said: https://modelingmadness.com/review/korean/mansdraken.htm Cracking review that I'd forgotten about! Thanks for reminding me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 hours ago, sammy da fish said: Surly Paul J the Airfix decals would be for a 1/72 aircraft where as Hasegawa’s Draken is 1/48? simon Yes . I had to stop mid message as I was at work and forgot to go back and finish off what I was writing. Am aware the subject is 48th but wanted to say perhaps the 72 ones could be scaled up by scanning. Alternatively I have some yellow check decals If I know what size the 48th ones need to be I can measure the decals I have to see if they are useable for the build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaVenom Posted October 5, 2019 Author Share Posted October 5, 2019 (edited) I notice those squares are flourescent but as far as I recall the squares were just non flourescent yellow in the old Airfix kit. The Swedish roundels in the Hasegawa kit have yellow in them but should they have that flourescent yellow too -- or was it just the squares that were flourescent for the 1968 exercise? Edited October 5, 2019 by SeaVenom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christer A Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Those Euro-decals that have been linked to a couple of times är both flourescent and in the correct scale. These markings were done in Day-glo as we Swedes called this paint, and totally different from the yellow used for roundels, letters and so on. Swedish Air Force have used lots of Day-glo, both yellow and orange, and that is the correct shade, no matter what Airfix printed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orso Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Don't take to much notice of the Airfix decals. They are simplified and not usable even in 1/72. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaVenom Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 Thanks guys. I have read though that maybe the yellow on the roundels in the Hasegawa kit is maybe not quite the correct shade...possibly the yellow being a bit dark maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas Enerdal Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) The Eurodecals are the ones you should use! -Correct in scale and colours. Both lemon and red were used -well researched. (Emil is a technical officer in the SwAF, also a modeller interested in SwAF history) -each square of the decal is surrounded by a narrow edge of gloss decal film. This is what they looked like in real life! Each square was a decal IRL, secured in place with clear sealing laquer. -Some good examples of real a/c can be seen in the surprisingly good Aircraft-in-Scale article in SAM, vol 7 no 9 (IIRC). Mind the versions of the J35, though, The hasegawa kit kan easily be built as a J35 J or J35 F. To make earlier versions small mods/aftermarket must be used. -See if you can find pics of the a/c you want to model, preferrably in colour. The markings were applied for large manouvers but at unit level, variations from marking instructions could be seen (the squares were supposed to go on top of the left wing only, outer main landing gear doors and both sides of fin). They were often left on the a/c after manouvers, and tended to tear/fall off over time. This lead to some interesting, slightly tattered looking examples. The olive green/Dark blue to colours could fade quite a bit leading to interesting weathering, well worth trying to capture on your model. Edited October 11, 2019 by Tomas Enerdal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaVenom Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 On 10/11/2019 at 1:36 PM, Tomas Enerdal said: The Eurodecals are the ones you should use! -Correct in scale and colours. Both lemon and red were used -well researched. (Emil is a technical officer in the SwAF, also a modeller interested in SwAF history) -each square of the decal is surrounded by a narrow edge of gloss decal film. This is what they looked like in real life! Each square was a decal IRL, secured in place with clear sealing laquer. -Some good examples of real a/c can be seen in the surprisingly good Aircraft-in-Scale article in SAM, vol 7 no 9 (IIRC). Mind the versions of the J35, though, The hasegawa kit kan easily be built as a J35 J or J35 F. To make earlier versions small mods/aftermarket must be used. -See if you can find pics of the a/c you want to model, preferrably in colour. The markings were applied for large manouvers but at unit level, variations from marking instructions could be seen (the squares were supposed to go on top of the left wing only, outer main landing gear doors and both sides of fin). They were often left on the a/c after manouvers, and tended to tear/fall off over time. This lead to some interesting, slightly tattered looking examples. The olive green/Dark blue to colours could fade quite a bit leading to interesting weathering, well worth trying to capture on your model. Thanks also for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas Enerdal Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I just spoke to Emil about the real 1:1 markings. The squares were cut out from large sheets of decal. They could therefore vary in size if the instructions were not followed exactly. From pics they look uniform in size, though. Some were not sealed with laquer, they were required for the duration of the manouvers only, it was thought that they would last long enough anyway. May have speeded up the loss of squares on tattered looking a/c. This underscores the old truth; better base your build on pics of the real aircraft if accuracy is important. Aftermarket decals for 1/48 Swedish national insignia are available, Flying colors Aerodecals comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I went looking for photos of these aircraft in real life but my Google fu failed me, all I got was links to models. Does anyone have links to photos of these aircraft wearing these markings in service? Thanks, Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orso Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 A couple here: https://www.ipmsstockholm.se/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=617&p=4861&hilit=rutor#p4861 https://s253.photobucket.com/user/news15/library/O-68?page=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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