F-105 photo collection

[RidgeRunner]

4 hours ago, 72modeler said:

I can heartily recommend getting Thunderchief- The Complete History of the Republic F-105, by Dennis R. Jenkins. The most complete and detailed Thud reference. I thought I knew a lot about the Thud, but this book really opened my eyes! (Thanks for the heads-up, @RidgeRunner!)

Yes, Mike, anyone with a love of the Thud needs this book. They should also have the James Geer book on Thud squadron histories - possibly even better!

 M

[exdraken]

1 hour ago, RidgeRunner said:

Yes, Mike, anyone with a love of the Thud needs this book. They should also have the James Geer book on Thud squadron histories - possibly even better!

 M

Just ordered the former one... so you say I need a second one?

Better build my Monogram F/G model one day! 😛

 

Edited August 29, 2019 by exdraken

[sinistervampire319]

8 hours ago, 72modeler said:

I was not aware that the late Paul Allen's group had one- sure hope they can cut through all the red tape and get her in the air. I believe the JF-105 that used to be at Lackland has gone to another museum collection, but wasn't aware that the remaining examples had been demilled- how  was this done? With all the post-911 security, it's a pain in the tail turret to get access to the base to measure/photograph the collection anymore, so I haven't been out there in ten years or so- afraid of what I will see when I do. Thanks for the information. (I'm still wee weed as a newt that they repainted their very rare RP-63G Pinball from its original international orange to silver lacquer!)

Mike

Don't know about the whereabouts now. But the JF model was there back in 1999 when I was at Lackland for a few days. All the 105's that were at the MP training area a few years back were finally removed and donated to museums. I saw some photos of them spiking the engines so they won't be used.
It's ridiculously hard to get on any base now a days. Unless you're a terrorist.
Also as for Paul Allen's I think he had failed as well to get it in the air. Since his passing it is probably a lost cause now.
 

Edited August 30, 2019 by sinistervampire319

[e8n2]

5 hours ago, sinistervampire319 said:

All the 105's that were at the MP training area a few years back were finally removed and donated to museums

Actually that would be the SP as in Security Police, or as the little snowflakes call themselves now, Security Forces, training area.  I spent a few weeks there in October and November of 1974 getting trained as an Air Force Security Police Security specialist.  MPs are Army and maybe Marines.

Later,

Dave

[RidgeRunner]

6 hours ago, exdraken said:

Just ordered the former one... so you say I need a second one?

Better build my Monogram F/G model one day! 😛

 

I’d say yes. The Jenkins book is great for the type, tech detail etc. The Geer book covers unit histories and has a wealth of in-service photos. I have almost every Thud book and would say these two are the best to give a comprehensive coverage. 

 

Martin

[exdraken]

2 hours ago, RidgeRunner said:

I’d say yes. The Jenkins book is great for the type, tech detail etc. The Geer book covers unit histories and has a wealth of in-service photos. I have almost every Thud book and would say these two are the best to give a comprehensive coverage. 

 

Martin

Wow! Just looked it up. Easily available, but 70++€$ for a 2002 book?

Is it realy that good?

[RidgeRunner]

8 minutes ago, exdraken said:

Wow! Just looked it up. Easily available, but 70++€$ for a 2002 book?

Is it realy that good?

In my view it is, but I paid £40ish. 

[72modeler]

8 hours ago, e8n2 said:

Actually that would be the SP as in Security Police, or as the little snowflakes call themselves now, Security Forces, training area.  I spent a few weeks there in October and November of 1974 getting trained as an Air Force Security Police Security specialist.  MPs are Army and maybe Marines.

Later,

Dave

Actually AP, MP, SP would all be correct, as Lackland does the training for military security police for all of the services now.

Mike

[RidgeRunner]

9 hours ago, RidgeRunner said:

In my view it is, but I paid £40ish. 

@exdraken PM inbound

 

Martin

Edited August 30, 2019 by RidgeRunner

[RidgeRunner]

2 minutes ago, RidgeRunner said:

@exdraken PM inbound

 

Martin

PM got kicked back - says you are not receiving messages!

[e8n2]

15 hours ago, 72modeler said:

Actually AP, MP, SP would all be correct, as Lackland does the training for military security police for all of the services now.

Mike

AP?  Way back before I ever got there the AF changed the name from Air Police to Security Police, probably around the mid to late 60s.  At the time I went through their, we didn't have any grunts out there only us AF types.  Not sure how much the Army has aircraft on alert to fly combat missions, at least stateside.  We would have people walking around the aircraft as a close-in sentry for an aircraft on alert to fly a combat mission like the aircraft that could drop bombs that make mushroom clouds.  Then you would also have people walking the fence line around the area those aircraft were parked.  At least that was how it was before I got out in the field.  Then we had electronic sensors for the perimeter fencing.  When I left England and went back to Offutt, SAC headquarters it was more like the old system but with telephone booth size shacks for the close boundary sentries.  Glad I got out of that career field.

Later,

Dave

 

[72modeler]

7 hours ago, e8n2 said:

AP?  Way back before I ever got there the AF changed the name from Air Police to Security Police, probably around the mid to late 60s.

That's when my Dad was still in- he retired in '69, and they were still  AP's then. I'm guessing the biggest percentage of guards are used now for patrolling on base or to man the various gates, although, sad to say, a good deal of that duty seems to be in  the hands of civilian contracted personnel  nowadays. In the good old days, when you would drive on or off base, the security guards would look at the windshield sticker or license plate if overseas, and if it was an officer's car, would come to attention and give you a hand salute, I remembering my dad explaining to me when my Mom or I would drive to pick him up after work and they still saluted, that they were saluting the car, regardless of who was driving- I always got a kick out of that; made me feel important!

Mike

 

BTW Dave- are all the ships in the mothball fleet that used to be anchored at Suisin Bay all gone, now?

[e8n2]

15 hours ago, 72modeler said:

BTW Dave- are all the ships in the mothball fleet that used to be anchored at Suisin Bay all gone, now?

As far as I know, yes.  I saw the Iowa there several times before it went down to San Pedro along with the Global Explorer, Howard Hughes spy ship.  I would have loved to have taken a tour of the area, but it never came to be.  We have a couple of rent-a-cops on Travis.  Had more ten years ago but with the drawdown from Iraq and Afghanistan most of them are gone now.  The decal stickers are also gone now.  Every driver is checked for their ID cards now.  There are still a number of bases that have security for their priority assets like when I was a Security cop, but nothing like that around here for a long time.  We called the training area on Lackland the humping grounds.  It was the first place I ever saw a B-57A.  There were also some C-45s and other obsolescent fighters.  I have a picture or two of it from my time there, but unfortunately they ended up being double exposures with totally different pictures.

Later,

Dave 

[71chally]

Does anyone here have reference drawings or clear photographs of the underside, especially underwing, camo demarcation for when F-105Gs (assume similar to the Ds?) went in the all over camo scheme?

 

Really struggling to find decent pictures to show how the camo was marked.

 

 

Re the 'Thud' monicker, I wrote an article on Republic jets years ago and from that I remember that the nickname was originally derived from a TV series character.  Losses from technical failures only reinforced the name (imaginary sound of hitting the deck) and this was sadly perpetuated by the combat losses.

[72modeler]

3 hours ago, 71chally said:

Really struggling to find decent pictures to show how the camo was marked.

71,

 

I don't have the colors and markings T.O. for either of the Thud wraparound schemes, but Two Bobs did a 1/72 decal sheet on them that had the upper, lower, and side views in color, along with the FS numbers for the colors that might be pretty useful. It was sheet 72-079. Aero Masks also made a 1/72 set of masks for the Euro 1 scheme, it was AM72-F10504. Best I can do with from my reference library- hope this gets you started. Maybe @RidgeRunner has references on this subject, as he is a real Thudaholic!

Mike

[RidgeRunner]

6 hours ago, 72modeler said:

71,

 

I don't have the colors and markings T.O. for either of the Thud wraparound schemes, but Two Bobs did a 1/72 decal sheet on them that had the upper, lower, and side views in color, along with the FS numbers for the colors that might be pretty useful. It was sheet 72-079. Aero Masks also made a 1/72 set of masks for the Euro 1 scheme, it was AM72-F10504. Best I can do with from my reference library- hope this gets you started. Maybe @RidgeRunner has references on this subject, as he is a real Thudaholic!

Mike

Hi Mike and James, i will take a look this week. Nothing comes to mind yet but I am yet to get back in to gear after my holiday ;).

 

Martin

[sinistervampire319]

On 8/29/2019 at 10:30 PM, e8n2 said:

Actually that would be the SP as in Security Police, or as the little snowflakes call themselves now, Security Forces, training area.  I spent a few weeks there in October and November of 1974 getting trained as an Air Force Security Police Security specialist.  MPs are Army and maybe Marines.

Later,

Dave

Sorry, I was Army so MP's are what I am used to not SP (Space Police). 

[e8n2]

2 hours ago, sinistervampire319 said:

Sorry, I was Army so MP's are what I am used to not SP (Space Police). 

Santa Rosa huh?  OK, come by the Travis Commissary and tell me that ;-)!  I have pins of all the major commands I was in along with my final rank and qualification badges on my smock.  Knowing how some of the supervisors are I'll probably be in the self bagging or express lanes.  Paper or plastic sir?  Any coupons today?  You know the drill.  Now if Lockheed would just have another Contract Field Team for another C-5 mod at Travis!

Later,

Dave

[sinistervampire319]

1 hour ago, e8n2 said:

Santa Rosa huh?  OK, come by the Travis Commissary and tell me that ;-)!  I have pins of all the major commands I was in along with my final rank and qualification badges on my smock.  Knowing how some of the supervisors are I'll probably be in the self bagging or express lanes.  Paper or plastic sir?  Any coupons today?  You know the drill.  Now if Lockheed would just have another Contract Field Team for another C-5 mod at Travis!

Later,

Dave

I am not 100% disabled so I can't get on base. Better off you come over here. We can argue it out at the air museum here. 

[e8n2]

21 hours ago, sinistervampire319 said:

I am not 100% disabled so I can't get on base. Better off you come over here. We can argue it out at the air museum here. 

The last time I worked for Lockheed a friend of mine from the first time rented a room from me.  He was affectionately known as Army Bob because he obviously was previously in the Army.  He always referred to the BX as the PX.  He's living in Arizona now but I still get a lot of e-mails from him.  I'll see what I can do to make it up to Santa Rosa some time on a day off or leave.

Later,

Dave

[exdraken]

On 8/29/2019 at 5:25 PM, 72modeler said:

I can heartily recommend getting Thunderchief- The Complete History of the Republic F-105, by Dennis R. Jenkins. The most complete and detailed Thud reference. I thought I knew a lot about the Thud, but this book really opened my eyes! (Thanks for the heads-up, @RidgeRunner!)

Mike

 

got mine yesterday!

 

looks great and lots of detail, also of the development of related types!, never new! (XF-107... F-100B) etc... never saw the close relation to the RF-84 either!

 

[rossm]

On 9/1/2019 at 3:40 PM, 72modeler said:

71,

 

I don't have the colors and markings T.O. for either of the Thud wraparound schemes, but Two Bobs did a 1/72 decal sheet on them that had the upper, lower, and side views in color, along with the FS numbers for the colors that might be pretty useful. It was sheet 72-079. Aero Masks also made a 1/72 set of masks for the Euro 1 scheme, it was AM72-F10504. Best I can do with from my reference library- hope this gets you started. Maybe @RidgeRunner has references on this subject, as he is a real Thudaholic!

Mike

I know it's been a long time but I just found that decal sheet if you still need the info.

[e8n2]

On 9/2/2019 at 12:40 AM, sinistervampire319 said:

I am not 100% disabled so I can't get on base. Better off you come over here. We can argue it out at the air museum here. 

!.  As long as you have a VA ID card that has the magic words service connected, you CAN get on base to shop at the commissary and exchange. 

2.  I'm not at the commissary, now totally retired.  Leaves more time for model building!

3.  Which museum?  I think I heard that Santa Rosa has one, but I'm not sure where it is if they do have it.  Let me know and we can argue grunts vs zoomies!

Later,

Dave

[e8n2]

On 8/27/2019 at 9:04 AM, busnproplinerfan said:

Maybe Thud was more the nickname? Had a dog once and named him Thud. I guess a big plane is an easy target for ground forces, also the pilots weren't the best trained for dogfighting or just real cocky. Kinda surprised it kept the F designation and not use an A.

At the time the F-105 came into service, the A for Attack designation was not in use, and did not come back into use until 1962 when the Kennedy administration decided to have all the services use the same designation system.  They had to do some real mental gymnastics on that one.  For example, the Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart, which had never entered production and was already out of service received the designation of YF-7A.  The Air Force Phantom II was in testing as the F-110A and became the F-4C.  The Douglas F4D-1 Skyray became the F-6A to avoid confusion with the Phantom II which had just started service and the Skyray was soon to be on its way out.  Please don't get me started on the other games that have been played with the designation system since the start of the current decade.

Later,

Dave

[busnproplinerfan]

9 hours ago, e8n2 said:

At the time the F-105 came into service, the A for Attack designation was not in use, and did not come back into use until 1962 when the Kennedy administration decided to have all the services use the same designation system.  They had to do some real mental gymnastics on that one.  For example, the Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart, which had never entered production and was already out of service received the designation of YF-7A.  The Air Force Phantom II was in testing as the F-110A and became the F-4C.  The Douglas F4D-1 Skyray became the F-6A to avoid confusion with the Phantom II which had just started service and the Skyray was soon to be on its way out.  Please don't get me started on the other games that have been played with the designation system since the start of the current decade.

Later,

Dave

I heard some bit about the designation changes but not in great detail, it would get confusing fast, thanks.