JohnT Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 Well I’d never have expected this op to turn out so interesting. Thanks everyone 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malpaso Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, elger said: 1 hour ago, elger said: 1 hour ago, elger said: I think the Dornier 24 is the only aircraft to be in service with all sides of the conflict: Germany, The Netherlands/Australia and Spain. One ex-Luftwaffe aircraft was used by Sweden from 1944 on. The RAF had some ex-civilian Bf.108s whilst the South African Air Force operated Ju.86s. I’m sure there were other examples. Edited August 23, 2019 by malpaso Triplicate version mostly deleted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, malpaso said: Daimler UK was nothing to do with Daimler-Benz; the founder just bought the right to use the name on his cars, presumably to show quality. On a more weird note, early RAF reflector sights had glass imported from the Third Reich. The Austrian manufacturer completed their contract with the Air Ministry in spite of the Anschluss! It wasn't just the glass, it was the entire gunsight. They were subcontacted to the Austrian company as Barr and Stroud did not have the production facilities to meet its RAF contracts. Selwyn PS what were the luftwaffe tired of? Anyone know? Edited August 23, 2019 by Selwyn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elger Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, malpaso said: The RAF had some ex-civilian Bf.108s whilst the South African Air Force operated Ju.86s. I’m sure there were other examples. But that's Axis and Allies. The point of the Dornier 24 is that it includes neutral countries as well I'm not too hung up about this btw - if there is another example of an aircraft that was in active frontline service during WWII on the side of the Axis, the Allies, as well as neutral countries I'll be glad to hear it. Edited August 23, 2019 by elger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Hugo Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) There was a Bf108 operated by the US embassy in Germany whilst they were still neutral. A single Bf 108B was purchased by the U.S. Military Attaché for Air in the spring of 1939 for $14,378 and designated XC-44 hmmm the Swiss also operated the type Edited August 23, 2019 by Charlie Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, elger said: I'm not too hung up about this btw - if there is another example of an aircraft that was in active frontline service during WWII on the side of the Axis, the Allies, as well as neutral countries I'll be glad to hear it. That would also almost certainly be the DC-3 under various designations then. By definition, neutral countries weren't undertaking combat in WW2 but apart from its more well known operators, plus the Russian and Japanese licence built ones. the Portuguese air force used one as a military transport from 1944 on, and I believe the Turkish air force also had some during WW2. Edited August 23, 2019 by Work In Progress 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) The most obvious both side fighter for me is Curtiss 75. In Dakar as Vichy and in Finland on Axis side, French in 1940, US, Netherland and UK on Allied. BTW - do not forget that Soviets, French and Italy as well as Romania and Bulgaria changed sides during war... And if you think on captured machines - the list will be really long. Starting from all ex-Polish used by Romania (mostly) on eastern front. Cheers J-W Edited August 23, 2019 by JWM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Hurricanes in Romania and Finland, and quite a lot more types in both countries. Plus lots of various captured equipment, French equipment in particular. D520s in Italy and Bulgaria. The Russians of course fought on both sides. As did the Romanians, Croats, and Italians. You could count the Vichy French. Slovaks and their National Rising? Didn't the Japanese use British 3.7 AA guns captured in Singapore? Plus both British and US salvaged destroyers. Also Douglas and Lockheed airliners/transports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 20 hours ago, Steve Coombs said: Mezzo-Mix That's the one, just image searched again , they've changed the name but labelling looks the same with different name .. Btw , just noticed I typo'd Mixt confused myself (with car hire company Sixt !) a few times ,it was Mixte nearly 20 years ago . Can't find anything on it though . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Coombs Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, bzn20 said: Can't find anything on it though . Ta daa! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezzo_Mix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 11 hours ago, JWM said: The Hugo Boss company I know this sounds a bit late 60's Monty Python but ... The German fashion firm Hugo Boss has apologised for its maltreatment of forced workers during World War II when it supplied the Nazis with uniforms. ( True, in the news 2011 ) Kool it Fuhrer Kat ! ( Monty python .. North Minehead By election sketch late 60's ) For those who missed it , one of the best .. I just watched it for the umpteenth time .. Got wet eyes ! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Very iteresting is that song "Lily Marleen" singed by Marlene Dietrich was during WWII the top hit on both sides ! Cheers J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicarage Vee Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, elger said: But that's Axis and Allies. The point of the Dornier 24 is that it includes neutral countries as well I'm not too hung up about this btw - if there is another example of an aircraft that was in active frontline service during WWII on the side of the Axis, the Allies, as well as neutral countries I'll be glad to hear it. The Junkers Ju86 served with Sweden and Switzerland. A good case might also be made for the Ju52 as well. Edited August 23, 2019 by Vicarage Vee 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorfinn Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 13 hours ago, Work In Progress said: Weapons used at some scale by both sides in WW2? Excluding, let's say, the odd captured example here and there. Ones that spring to mind - Oerlikon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 53 minutes ago, JWM said: Very iteresting is that song "Lily Marleen" singed by Marlene Dietrich was during WWII the top hit on both sides ! Cheers J-W Saw an interview with an Afrika Korps veteran years ago and he said that when they heard the Tommies singing “their song” Lile Marlene across the desert at night they knew Germany had lost the war. He did say it with a smile though 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Coombs Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 20 minutes ago, JohnT said: Saw an interview with an Afrika Korps veteran years ago and he said that when they heard the Tommies singing “their song” Lile Marlene across the desert at night they knew Germany had lost the war. He did say it with a smile though ♫Underneath the floodlights Down in Düsseldorf All the Kop were singing Bevvied up, of course♫... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 This is a fairly comprehensive guide to US companies' support for the Nazi regime. https://dogandlemon.com/sites/default/files/cars_nazis.pdf I first read it in my 2004 edition of "The Dog and Lemon Guide - The world's largest car buyers' guide, produced entirely in Australasia by complete cynics" but this online guide is from 2010. It ends thus.............. "The bottom line is this: World War II could have occurred without Hitler, but it couldn’t have occurred without Ford, General Motors and Standard Oil." 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Hell, that makes for chilling reading. I think I've been leading a sheltered life. Steve. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 The chap who wrote it is a Kiwi no less. He seems to have a somewhat chequered press when it comes to road safety but over the years I have cross referenced what he has written here and most of it seems factual or somewhat more than plausible. To those who are cynical about the morals and ethics of US businesses it should come as no surprise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I agree Ed, Clive M-W is a bit controversial with a somewhat dogmatic view point re road safety at times, I certainly don't agree with him, he would have central barriers on all our highways whereas I subscribe to Greg Murphy's (V8 Supercar driver) view that we need to up grade skills & perhaps more importantly attitudes of our drivers. In truth there is room for both view in places. I'd be keen to read the Higham book he refers to a lot, I've not had a lot of exposure to the content of this publication but certainly nothing I am aware of contradicts anything in it. I could happily discuss this more but it might take us down a dicey direction so I'll leave it there. thanks for the link. Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPuente54 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/23/2019 at 2:29 PM, thorfinn said: Oerlikon. I was trying to remember the name of this company and its spelling. Their 20mm cannon was sold to every country in the war save the Soviet Union and Japan. And, they may have some ships, ground locations, etc. that used them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 On 8/23/2019 at 8:03 AM, Work In Progress said: Bonus points in this round (if we are happy to continue a digression) Weapons used at some scale by both sides in WW2? Excluding, let's say, the odd captured example here and there. Ones that spring to mind - The 7.92x57mm Mauser cartridge: the standard German long rifle / LMG ammunition, but also used in the British BESA machine gun (a licence-built ZB-53) The 9x21 mm Parabellum cartridge The 1935 pattern Browning Hi-Power, probably the best overall sidearm of the war, which the Germans put into service after they captured the FN factory in Belgium. The DC-3, in Japanese service as the L2D Arguably the 40mm Bofors One might argue about the inventory of the Finnish armed forces but I don't count them for this purpose, given that Finland, despite its co-belligerence with Germany against Russia in the Continuation War, was never formally an Axis power. Not only the 7.92 Mauser was used by many forces on both sides, but Mauser based rifles were as well. Both CZ and FN had produced Mauser 98 based rifles for several years before the war and many of these ended in the hands of forces that fought against the Germans and their allies, like Poland, Greece, Yugoslavia and China. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPuente54 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) I believe, but not sure, that the American Oil Company(may have the name wrong) was the original builder and owner of the oil refineries in Romania. However, that didn't stop the USAAF from launching several bombing attacks on the refineries. If memory is correct, Opel was denied any military contracts for trucks and/or cars due to their ownership by GM. The Germans were afraid that the US government would be able to get intelligence on German vehicle production from GM in the USA. Some time early in the war, the Germans needed to get as many trucks as possible; and, changed their minds. I am not sure of the year. Edited September 11, 2019 by JPuente54 Add word 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 13 hours ago, JPuente54 said: t the American Oil Company (may have the name wrong) Close but not quite correct. Oil wells in Rumania date from Roman times. By 1857 Rumania was the largest player in the oil business, producing 275 tonnes for the year and opening the first refinery at Ploesti (now Ploiești and pronounced PL' yesht). Austro-Hungarian banks began investing in Romania’s oil industry in the 1890s. In the early 1900s there was very large foreign investment from Standard Oil, Deutsche Bank and Royal Dutch Shell. Who would have thought my school project on oil would still be useful 100 years after I did it! 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPuente54 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @Ed Russell, thank you, Standard Oil did own the American Oil Company for a long time; well into the '80s IIRC. They may have at the time of the refineries being built; that is why their name came to my mind. But, I am happy for the correction. And if they didn't; well, I'm wrong. Thank you again. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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