Plastic_parts Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Hi fellas. How difficult would it be to backdate a modern tornado kit to an MRCA? I can’t see it being that difficult but what would it involve and which kit or kits would be needed? I have the original Airfix MRCA for any parts that might be needed as well as the Airfix, revell and italeri kits. Also where might I find a replacement set of MRCA decals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Which MRCA are you after: the first prototype P-01 D-9591, the first British built machine P-02 XX946, some of the other seven flying prototypes? I do not know if there are decals available for the MRCAs, but I believe each of them at least initially flew in white livery. So, if everything else fails, you can still resort to DIY decals. Cheers Jure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 The MRCAs had individual liveries, sometimes rather subtle, but it is possible to distinguish them (or perhaps just most of them). As I recall, PO3 was (re?)painted in DG/DSG/MSG whereas P06 flew from the start in wrap-round DG/DSG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Have you seen this page and the downloadable pdf file: https://www.tornadosig.com/mrca-prototypes.html Syhart decals do the Luftwaffe 2014 'retro' Tornado livery: https://www.syhartdecal.fr/references.php?lang=ENG&page=galerie&ref=Syhart 097&numero_ref=097&nom_fichier=plan02&extension=jpg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic_parts Posted August 10, 2019 Author Share Posted August 10, 2019 Thanks for the replies chaps . I’m wanting to finish the model as the red/white scheme on the original Airfix box. I should perhaps have made it clear I was thinking about the physical differences between the MRCA and production tornados. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 If you get an Airfix GR.1 it needs minimal work to back date as Airfix re-cut the MRCA to become the GR.1 https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/airfixtributeforum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=1166 If you already have a MRCA a. Why not build it? b. lay out its parts next to a GR.1 kit and note the differences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theplasticsurgeon Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I don't think there's much airframe difference, a fillet on the fine is mentioned in this MRCA build. Prototype didn't have a laser sensor under the nose. Rest of kit differences is weapons - depending on the kit release. Just to make you want to do it - here's mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Check the base of the fin, underneath the rudder. That did change early in the Tornado's career, but I don't recall whether this was just the ADV - I don't think so but someone will be able to prove it either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Also the leading edge of the horizontal tail. The prototypes were straight. Production machines were kinked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT7567 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 One other feature unique to the early prototypes is the lack of bypass ducts on the top surface of the intakes. This is noticeable on production aircraft by the 'step up' just aft of the wing root (the aft edge of which is actually an open slot to the rear). The original intake design is a continuous plane out to the leading edge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic_parts Posted August 10, 2019 Author Share Posted August 10, 2019 The reason I’m wanting to backdate a modern tornado is simply because the original sirfix kit is somewhat lacking in detai, especially in the cockpit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Model, that theplasticsurgeon built is the second prototype XX946. There is little I can add to this discussion. Mind nine vortex generators on vertical tail and camera just below the top of the fin which were absent during early flights of this machine, but appeared when XX946 had been camouflaged. Cheers Jure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 I’m doing P12 in 1/32 at the mo and it’s nearly finished having taken me nearly a year on and off doing it. Slightly repeating what others have said my library of research has revealed: Straight edged tail plane, but some had a little vertical winglet on the outer edge. Some had the vortex generators missing (added later). The fillet below the rudder seemed different on the Pre-production aircraft, so check which one your going to do. The intake as mentioned some were smooth, others had the vent (with 3 vertical supports inside them but can be seen). Also some had a hump profile 3/4 of the way down the upper surface of the intake. Underneath there seems to be two cable ducts (aka EE Lightning) on the early ones. Strobe lights of the period. RWR Antennas are a different shape for each country. So just check your references. Cockpit and noticeably the rear seat package is very basic and unique to each aircraft. This is one example where you won’t have to pile on the detail because there wasn’t any. Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic_parts Posted August 11, 2019 Author Share Posted August 11, 2019 Cheers guys.... seems like it’s going to be easier than I at first thought...hope to show some pics when I get started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthViper Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Hi I am still doing it for some Years... you know time is priceless, moving, social life, studies, etc... You will need strong search, first define what MRCA you wish to do. Books like Aeroguide, Squadron In Action, Salamander are Your best friends. Cheers SV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Here are two photos of the front and back cockpits of the British MRCA PO.2 John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Two nice shots of her John 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthViper Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Hi Recently I saw somewhere that the wing Pylons on the prototypes Tornadoes were different from the Pylons of the production Tornadoes ? If it is true are there some pics or drawing to shape the Pylons found in the 1/48 Revell Tornado IDS/GR1 ? Thanks SouthViper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 9:24 AM, SouthViper said: Hi Recently I saw somewhere that the wing Pylons on the prototypes Tornadoes were different from the Pylons of the production Tornadoes ? If it is true are there some pics or drawing to shape the Pylons found in the 1/48 Revell Tornado IDS/GR1 ? Thanks SouthViper I don't know if this is so, but this is a photo of PO2 with wing tanks, the pylons look standard to me? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Canberra Kid's images at pist 17 above show XX946 with an interim aft fin root fairing and the intermediate intake upper surface contour as referred to by Speedy in post 13. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 From my research doing P.12, I found that the underbelly pylons were different to production examples and the outer pylons were different on RAF jets on production aircraft. May not bother you doing an pre-production example though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opadag Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 9:03 PM, Plastic_parts said: The reason I’m wanting to backdate a modern tornado is simply because the original sirfix kit is somewhat lacking in detai, especially in the cockpit. All the more reason to build the original Airfix kit. It will allow you to spend a bit of time on the interior detailing it and refining the kit itself. after all that then build the latest GR4 for the fun of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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