antonio argudo Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Hi everyone, wanted to share these pictures from a polywood tail pieces from a Me109 G10/U4 W. Nr. 611008 that I recently acquired. it crashed near Schoenberg due to flak fire, they are in great condition and show RLM 74/75/76. 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonio argudo Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 some examples of other polywood 109 examples, they also show that distinctive green protective undercoat paint and dark magenta stains, I'm guessing it is the glue used 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Wow, congratulations! And thank you for sharing these pictures. It is always nice to see "The Real Thing"; I mean this is just the thing we keep talking about here on Britmodeller. It would be very nice to hear how these examples match with Monogram Luftwaffe painting guide for example😊 Kind Regards, Antti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonio argudo Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 (edited) thank you Antti for your words, well, I don't have that book or luftwaffe chart , maybe if you have it you or anyone could post the 74/75/76 colors here would be nice, although this method is not much scientific to say lol, a spectrocolorimeter would be ideal, I did this chart from my relics, I try different light conditions and this is what looks more accurate with what I see in the flesh although monitor calibration will vary from one to another, as a said not too much scientific but just a try, lol cheers Edited August 8, 2019 by antonio argudo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonbraun Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Here is a scan of page 25 from Monogram's Luftwaffe Painting Guide... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonio argudo Posted August 10, 2019 Author Share Posted August 10, 2019 Thanks you so much man, I appreciate it, cheers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Wow, the colours in the scanned page seem to be very good matches to those Antonio posted (# 5). Both are based on "Observed Colours" which might help, but still... Cheers, Antti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonio argudo Posted August 11, 2019 Author Share Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, Antti_K said: Wow, the colours in the scanned page seem to be very good matches to those Antonio posted (# 5). Both are based on "Observed Colours" which might help, but still... Cheers, Antti thanks man for you words, well,I would call this orientatives colors only, what you see in your monitor may be different of what I see on mine, it is just impossible to match digital colors with photos or book scans but just a interesting approach, nothing more that's why I will get my sample measured by a professional with spectrocolorimeter technology cheers Edited August 11, 2019 by antonio argudo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyDad Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 11/08/2019 at 00:43, Antti_K said: Wow, the colours in the scanned page seem to be very good matches to those Antonio posted (# 5). Both are based on "Observed Colours" which might help, but still... Cheers, Antti The Monogram Painting Guide is now 35+ years old. While some of the factual information within the Guide has been superceded by subsequent research (Late War Greens for example), in my view the colour chips, camouflage plans and photos within are amongst the very best available for those of us with an interest in Luftwaffe colours. It's well worth having a copy of this SD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyDad Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) On 08/08/2019 at 04:09, antonio argudo said: some examples of other polywood 109 examples, they also show that distinctive green protective undercoat paint and dark magenta stains, I'm guessing it is the glue used Lovely pictures Antonio. Very clear with good colour balance and lighting. I suspect the magenta colouring is Wood Sealer as below (this page is also from the Monogram Painting Guide) rather than glue. According to Hitchcock & Merrick this dark red primer was applied to wooden and metal surfaces. Perhaps the light green primer is RLM99 Yellow-Green? Hope this helps SD Images posted for the purposes of research Source: Merrick K and Hitchcock T (1980) The Official Monogram Painting Guide to German Aircraft 1935-1945 Boylston Mass. Monogram Aviation Publications Edited August 12, 2019 by SafetyDad Add extra picture 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonio argudo Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) thanks SD for the scans, I guess that green/yellow does match with what I can see on the interior faces of the wood, it is quite bright and intense color, they also use it on the radio panel in the fuselage, like the picture below. there is no red primer in my parts like in the LUX militare picture, but some dark magenta stains, they are bright, looks more like some kind of glue or resin to me but I'm not sure what is yet... someone might know! thanks again mate, cheers Antonio Edited August 13, 2019 by antonio argudo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 21 hours ago, SafetyDad said: The Monogram Painting Guide is now 35+ years old. While some of the factual information within the Guide has been superceded by subsequent research (Late War Greens for example), in my view the colour chips, camouflage plans and photos within are amongst the very best available for those of us with an interest in Luftwaffe colours. It's well worth having a copy of this SD I have come to this conclusion as well because Thomas Hitchcock & Co. had a chance to study those remaining original colour samples "only" some 30 years after the WWII. Research today will have to work with samples almost 80 years old. I already have three copies! It is worth noting that all the paint chips are identical in these samples. They are also almost perfect matches for current RAL K5 system (those shades still part of the RAL system). Cheers, Antti 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyDad Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 53 minutes ago, Antti_K said: I have come to this conclusion as well because Thomas Hitchcock & Co. had a chance to study those remaining original colour samples "only" some 30 years after the WWII. Research today will have to work with samples almost 80 years old. I already have three copies! It is worth noting that all the paint chips are identical in these samples. They are also almost perfect matches for current RAL K5 system (those shades still part of the RAL system). Cheers, Antti Yes Antti, I agree. Hitchcock and Merrick were well ahead of their time, both in terms of the large, accurate chips provided but also in their recognition that there were wide variations in greys such as 76 and also that some other colours used were not yet fully understood or categorised. Subsequent books (and some authors) became rather dogmatic in their views and lost this capacity to remain open to new ideas and information. SD 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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