Fritag Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) Phew. Bill is back at work in his rightful place in 1/72. All is well with world again. Don't know anything much about the Javelin - save that it has the somehow slightly primitive, but also somewhat pleasing look not untypical of early(ish) Jets. Curious that you weren't allowed to loop a fighter - but then the aerodynamic idiosyncrasies of delta/swept wings are way above my pay grade Anyways. This will be fun to watch. Edited August 6, 2019 by Fritag 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAVY870 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I've a soft spot for the Heller Javelin after making a reasonably non excremental attempt of it back in the 1980's I have one residing in the stash so I may be forced to watch this thread with interest and swipe ideas 🕵️♀️ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPDPenguin Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I've recently picked up the airfix faw9, I was going to build it oob, but it seems everyone changes the rear end. Would it be uncouth to just assemble it without modification? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 On 8/4/2019 at 8:48 PM, Navy Bird said: The Airwaves airbrake PE set is designed for the Heller/Airfix kit, That shouldn't matter, it won't fit anyway! Good luck! Ian 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Fritag said: Phew. Bill is back at work in his rightful place in 1/72. All is well with world again. Don't know anything much about the Javelin - save that it has the somehow slightly primitive, but also somewhat pleasing look not untypical of early(ish) Jets. Curious that you weren't allowed to loop a fighter - but then the aerodynamic idiosyncrasies of delta/swept wings are way above my pay grade Anyways. This will be fun to watch. I believe it actually looped very well, but only in the horizontal plane, which is not very desirable! Ian 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 11 hours ago, Navy Bird said: I plan on taking some measurements of the tub Don't forget the rear seat of the FAW's was lower than the pilots seat, as opposed to the T3 which was higher. 11 hours ago, Navy Bird said: so I need to find out what a T.3 panel really looks like I would imagine both cockpits would be pretty much the same as the FAW9 pilots cockpit. @canberra kid might have the pilots notes - John? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 35 minutes ago, FPDPenguin said: I've recently picked up the airfix faw9, I was going to build it oob, but it seems everyone changes the rear end. Would it be uncouth to just assemble it without modification? I have recently done the same and it would appear that the rear end is a dog's breakfast with no simple fix. I was hoping that our friends at Alley Cat or Freightdog might be persuaded to come up with a correction set, but that may be a wish too far! I've also spotted that Print Scale (I think) have recently released several sets of decals for various marks of Javelin - do they know something we don't?? Edge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesP Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 41 minutes ago, Edge said: I've also spotted that Print Scale (I think) have recently released several sets of decals for various marks of Javelin - do they know something we don't?? Only that I was mad enough to build a MK6 from the T3 a few years ago, and there may be more similarly demented modellers out there. I used decals from an old issue of SAM. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Dave Swindell said: Don't forget the rear seat of the FAW's was lower than the pilots seat, as opposed to the T3 which was higher. I would imagine both cockpits would be pretty much the same as the FAW9 pilots cockpit. @canberra kid might have the pilots notes - John? I'll take a look this evening John 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) The early Javelins were so inadequate and had many vices in handling that it led to test-pilot Bill Waterton leaving Glosters and the writing of his infamous book 'The Quick & The Dead', this resulted in a legal battle between him and the company. I work at St Athan and there are older colleagues here that remember Javelins being delivered for scrap in large numbers at a time, many of them had very low flying hours. It seems like the later versions became capable machines. Somehow though I'm fascinated by the Javelin, it does look good, especially when you get up close to one. Looking forward to your treatment of the subject Bill! Gloster Javelin FAW.1 XA466 87 G Sqn, 1961 by James Thomas, on Flickr Edited August 6, 2019 by 71chally 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 18 hours ago, Procopius said: I shouldn't think so, I only drink alone, in the dark, until I go to sleep, not socially, so you should be safe. I actually feel quite guilty about this build, as you very kindly gave me your Maintrack conversion and a Heller Javelin a while back, and now you have to do all this work! Turning into an alcoholic ??? In Telford Tsss Tssss Incredible !! It's a matter of tasting foreign specialities... And then ... Don't you worry, really no worries... Just turning a veggie then !! Good idea about Javelin's Sincerely. CC 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, 71chally said: The early Javelins were so inadequate and had many vices in handling... It seems like the later versions became capable machines. Beautiful photo James, thank you for sharing🙂 You are right; FAW.8 and FAW.9 had a new wing and re-heated engines. Although you weren't allowed to use re-heat at take-off (or at low altitude) because of a significant power loss, they were indeed a different batch at altitude. 8 minutes ago, 71chally said: Gloster Javelin FAW.1 XA466 87 G Sqn, 1961 by James Thomas, on Flickr Cheers, Antti 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I have the PN's for the 5,6,8 & 9 and some info on the 2 John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 A couple of gratuitous shots I took of a gate guard ‘somewhere in Kent’ circa 1973 Trevor 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Bird Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, canberra kid said: I have the PN's for the 5,6,8 & 9 and some info on the 2 John Can the PN be emailed? I'd love to get a copy for the 9. Cheers, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 The 2 Plastyk Javelin kits I bought went straight into the bin! I do have a small collection of Heller, Novo and Airfix (both versions) in the stash along with various decals and accessories. I can't wait to see what Bill does with his kits, might even encourage me to finish my Mk.5 conversion that is in a very deep stall condition at the moment! Duncan B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Bird Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Duncan B said: The 2 Plastyk Javelin kits I bought went straight into the bin! The bin! Oh dear. I don't plan on spending too much time with mine, so it may not end up like your typical Navy Bird effort. On the other hand, I may not be able to control myself. Cheers, Bill 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Navy Bird said: Can the PN be emailed? I'd love to get a copy for the 9. Cheers, Bill I've shout the machine down for the night Bill, but I'll send it off tomorrow. John 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Hello John, what is the revision date of your FAW.9 PN copy? And does it have a supplement for FAW.9R? Mine is revised per Amendment List 2 (A.L.2), September 1962 and there is nothing about FAW.9R... Cheers, Antti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Bird Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 12 hours ago, limeypilot said: That shouldn't matter, it won't fit anyway! I always wondered whether the "engineer" responsible for the Airwaves PE sets actually measured any models with something more precise than a metre stick. The pieces, in my experience, never fit, but they are usually oversize so trimming isn't too difficult. An interesting comparison: Yes, this is the mating ritual of Plastyk and Airfix. The intakes, and width of the fuselage in that area, agree well, as does the size of the forward fuselage behind the nose cone. When you align the noses at their aft end (based on the panel line), they are very close in size as well. When compared to the Airfix FAW.9 stencil placement drawing, the nose cone on the Heller T.3 matches the drawing nicely in both diameter and length. However, the Plastyk nose cone is too short. Since I have an extra set of T.3 parts, I think I'll use the Heller nose cone on the Plastyk fuselage. Did that make sense to anyone? I suspect the T.3 radome is not exactly the same as the FAW.9 in real life - or is it? For sure, if I use the Heller T.3 nose on the Plastyk FAW.9 kit, it will be a much better match to the FAW.9 drawing. And silly me, I have an extra Heller cockpit tub, too, so I don't have to make a duplicate out of card stock. Sorry, @Martian Hale Cheers, Bill PS. That "styrene" on the Plastyk kit looks loverly up close, doesn't it? 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Navy Bird said: PS. That "styrene" on the Plastyk kit looks loverly up close, doesn't it? Yeah, sure. Must be from recycled plastic .,.. Ciao 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 To be nit-picky the T.3 didn’t have a radome because it didn’t have a radar! The nose was also longer (to counterbalance the lack of weight for the radar maybe?). Brain cells are trying to recall if the short nose* was identified as a problem with the FROG original, or am I mixing that up with the Sea Vixen? Trevor * iPhone predictive texas thought I meant ‘shirt nose’........go figure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 12 hours ago, Navy Bird said: And silly me, I have an extra Heller cockpit tub, too, so I don't have to make a duplicate out of card stock. Sorry, @Martian Hale Chicken! Taking the easy way out eh? Disappointed of Mars 👽 Brave Sir Bill he ran away, bravely ran away, away. When styrene reared it's ugly head he bravely turned his tail and fled, Bravest of the brave, brave Sir Bill. (With apologies to Monty Python and the Holy Grail) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Navy Bird said: That "styrene" on the Plastyk kit looks loverly up close, doesn't it? Is it actually plastic? It looks like the bamboo used to make sustainable coffee cups knives and forks etc. hmmm, that’s a thought, the future of modelling, moulded bamboo aircraft kits. AW 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil5208 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Andwil said: Is it actually plastic? It looks like the bamboo used to make sustainable coffee cups knives and forks etc. hmmm, that’s a thought, the future of modelling, moulded bamboo aircraft kits. AW I have you know Bamboo has been touted as a wonder material, good for fabrics, building material, nappies and composite plastics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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