fubar57 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Love those Operation Starkey markings. I have several picked out for when my enthusiasm returns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaëtan Marie Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Hello, I've been trying to gather photos of white-stripped Operation Rutter aircraft these past few days, and I haven't been able to find much. So far these are the ones I've been able to confirm FWIW (via photos only - no written reports) : * Spitfire Mk Vb AA853 WX-C of Wg Cdr Stefan Witorzeńć, CO 2nd Polish Fighter Wing. (NB: this aircraft may actually not have been used by Witorzeńć) * Spitfire Mk Vb BM579 FN-B of Rolfe Arne Berg, No 331 (Norwegian) Squadron. * Spitfire Mk Vb BM324 “Tomana” GW-S, of Wg Cdr Dupérier, No 340 (Free French) Squadron. * Spitfire Mk Vb "Général de Gaulle", unknown serial, GW-Y, Cne Fayolle, No 340 (Free French) Squadron. * Hurricane "Mauritius VII", unknown serial, XP-?, No 174 Squadron. * Hurricane, unknown serial, XP-N, No 174 Squadron. * Hurricane, unknown serial, XP-A, No 174 Squadron. * At least four Spitfire Mk V of 310 Squadron (see note 1) * Spitfire Mk Vb AR336, UZ-O, No 306 Squadron (1) One source indicates EP637 NN-K received the stripes but EP637 did not arrive at No 310 Squadron before 9 August 1942, too late for Operation Rutter. Some sources state that these were not actually linked to Operation Rutter. Does anyone have more info about this possibility ? If you have any extra photos, I'd be very interested in them. From what I can see, there were several "variations" in how the stripes were painted. My original FB post on the topic is here, with pictures : https://www.facebook.com/gaetan.marie.aviation.profiles/posts/2620582644653085 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Gifts of War has Mauritius VII as XP.R, serial unknown. Source CH5635 and censorship 211752. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian Boehm Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 Hello all Thanks Gaetan to register all known pictures of "Rutter bands" planes we all hope others will follow What do you mean with "FWIW" ??? I will post a picture of my spit as far I've corrected it christian PS: salut Gaêtan , je vois que tu édites des profiles sur facebook , je n'ai pas FB perso, mon épouse oui; tu fais des maquettes aussi ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, christian Boehm said: What do you mean with "FWIW" ??? FWIW = for what's it's worth if you hover your mouse pointer over an abbreviation/acronym on here that has dots under it, it should display the full text. HTH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian Boehm Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 Thanks Troy I'm trying to improve my English once a week since I'm retired but I see I have to learn "computer- language" as well ! 😁 and in french , as well , every day , a new acronym is born christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaëtan Marie Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Quote PS: salut Gaêtan , je vois que tu édites des profiles sur facebook , je n'ai pas FB perso, mon épouse oui; tu fais des maquettes aussi ? Hello Christian. I have very little skill in modelling so I only focus on illustrations ! // Bonjour Christian. Je n'ai presque aucun talent de maquettiste, donc je me contente des illustrations ! Quote Gifts of War has Mauritius VII as XP.R, serial unknown. Source CH5635 and censorship 211752. Thanks a lot, Graham ! I don't have a copy of Gifts of War so this is very useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 On 16/08/2019 at 12:43, Graham Boak said: Gifts of War has Mauritius VII as XP.R, serial unknown. Source CH5635 and censorship 211752. serial appears to end '68' Hurricane Mauritius VII screen grab by losethekibble, on Flickr Screen grab, note, does this have the tail stripes as well? look at leading tailplane edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Nice try, but how about BE680 or BE682? BE684 was AF.Y so became XP.Y The other BE68x aircraft I haven't listed, so presumably not 607 Sq aircraft but potentially later 174? However not according to Air Britain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian Boehm Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 thanks 2 hours ago, Troy Smith said: Screen grab, note, does this have the tail stripes as well? look at leading tailplane edge. yes and on the tips as on FN ° B christian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 On 20/08/2019 at 20:22, Graham Boak said: Nice try, but how about BE680 or BE682? I'd go BE682, you can see the ends of the horizontal strokes of the E in front of the 6, and the forward edge of the 2 just impinges on the sky band aft of the 8. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, Dave Swindell said: I'd go BE682, you can see the ends of the horizontal strokes of the E in front of the 6, and the forward edge of the 2 just impinges on the sky band aft of the 8. and, out of curiosity... I stick Hurricane BE 682 into google... read the page ... seems that BE682 is a good bet, and a neat skin as a result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewerjerry Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Hi just a thread bump unknown to me a few years back whilst at the NA/PRO i copied three orders that refer to this paint scheme and i just found them today on my laptop by accident if someone who can post photos here can PM an e mail address i will send them to them so that they can post them in this thread cheers jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vingtor Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) On 8/5/2019 at 10:21 PM, brewerjerry said: Noooo the old myth repeated many times one of many errors in the book, the markings are op starkey The Starkey markings are not correct either. Should be white-black-white - plus black wingtip area. On both upper and lower surfaces. Nils Edited October 16, 2019 by Vingtor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewerjerry Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 On 8/5/2019 at 4:57 AM, 303sqn said: The markings were to be applied to all single-engined fighters in 11 Group with the exception of Mustangs. Hi reading the three memos i found which a board member is kindly going to post here for me it states all 11Gp day fighter aircraft except mustangs anyone got an OOB for 11Gp for July 1942 ? cheers jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Jerry's documents: 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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