IPMS19 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 - I'm building another MIG-25BM in camouflage uniform, the BORT 37. I have this photo of the beast which puzzle me - As it seems to be dressed in some kind of wrap-around camo as can be suggestd by the camouflaged looking wing pylons as well as missile rails with green, green and brown colors neatly seen. The under sides of the wings seems camouflaged too as some traces of clear paints seems to appear as well as darker shade shapes.Looking at the nose it looks to be camouflagd aswell notably with sand patches. - Usually as far as my modest knowledge permit, Soviet//Russian combat of this period didn't use this particular kind of scheme even on camouflaged machine . Could it be an experimental trial ? Or specially painted machine for a particular occasion, an "agressor" scheme ?. Our friend AlexGRD think it is the icy ground reflecting on the metallic sufaces, however the same on the vertical surfaces of the pylons on both wings seems unlikely. - I think there is here some matter of debate. May be some one could bring his own stone to help solving the question knowing that I stopped the painting of my Foxbat till I get more about this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) I have seen several photos of recce MiG-25s in camo colours in East Germany when they were based there. I also have a picture of the aircraft above, but from the STBD side in the Aerofax book on the MiG-25, and it does seem to be in camo all over, although there do seem to be largish patches of grey on the sides of the fuselage. Hope this is of some help. I have just found a picture on the back cover of the book mentioned above, and it shows this aircraft with the pylons painted in Grey. Edited July 28, 2019 by Jabba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Looks like that scheme was applied with brushes and rattlecans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 11 hours ago, Slater said: Looks like that scheme was applied with brushes and rattlecans. -It could be..., Bort 37 was a machine of 4th training unit, as the BM was a SEAD dedicated version it could be possible it had been painted in a temporay scheme for some exercice at a moment of its duty life and them returned to the standard underside grey it wore previously, but more I look at the photo more I'm convinced there is some kind of camo under the wings and pylons only, the belly being in standard grey with some intrusion at the separation limits as can be seen on the gear doors. THe question remains open and I still do not know how to go on with my model painting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) MiG-25 BM white 37 was a one off experimental scheme, in an experimental unit. not operational as far as I understand some more photos from the net: http://www.valka.cz/newdesign/v900/html_images/10_2006/image1162060265.JPG http://www.airbase.ru/sb/russia/mikoyan/mig/25/bm/img/mig25bm6.jpg http://www.airbase.ru/sb/russia/mikoyan/mig/25/bm/img/mig25bm5.jpg https://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/MA/MA98-3/o3-4.jpg https://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/MA/MA98-3/34-1.jpg https://www.airbase.ru/sb/russia/mikoyan/mig/25/bm/img/mig25bm7.jpg I do not think it is wrap around.... hope this helps! Edited July 30, 2019 by exdraken 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) On 29/07/2019 at 09:52, exdraken said: MiG-25 BM white 37 was a one off experimental scheme, in an experimental unit. not operation al as far as I understand some more photos from the net: http://www.valka.cz/newdesign/v900/html_images/10_2006/image1162060265.JPG http://www.airbase.ru/sb/russia/mikoyan/mig/25/bm/img/mig25bm6.jpg http://www.airbase.ru/sb/russia/mikoyan/mig/25/bm/img/mig25bm5.jpg https://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/MA/MA98-3/o3-4.jpg https://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/MA/MA98-3/34-1.jpg https://www.airbase.ru/sb/russia/mikoyan/mig/25/bm/img/mig25bm7.jpg I do not think it is wrap around.... hope this helps! - Many thanks Werner, I just answer your post on Fighter to conclued that I'm still in doubt. If you watch attentivly the photo of the starboard side on the snow, the wing pylons are obviously painted for a part in some kind of camo as well as the gear doors so I don't kno what to think about this. go or no go that's the question..... Edited August 6, 2019 by Julien please dont quote all the pictures in a thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) without a picture... what ever you do it well be lots of guesswork the MAIN gear doors do have some camo on, as opposed to the camouflaged recce Foxbats. .... on the other hand, below the wings on the aiframe sides it is definitely some grey and there is a lot of dirt and reflections...... a bit cynic, but I do hope we will get a final answer once you have done it, one way of the other... I am sure a pic shows up afterwards to prove you wrong....... sorry Edited July 29, 2019 by exdraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, exdraken said: without a picture... what ever you do it well be lots of guesswork the MAIN gear doors do have some camo on, as opposed to the camouflaged recce Foxbats. .... on the other hand, below the wings on the aiframe sides it is definitely some grey and there is a lot of dirt and reflections...... a bit cynic, but I do hope we will get a final answer once you have done it, one way of the other... I am sure a pics shows up afterwards to prove you wrong....... sorry -As usual in modelling once you have spent sweat and blood on scratch building a part eaten by the carpett monster the original suddenly re appear I wish it will be the same for the miraculous photo and I will know at last wether I'm right or wrong whatever the result I will be equally pleasd and reliefed....it is the sport's law my friend...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 @koteyfrom Begemot decals put some info here several years ago already... unfortunately nothing new...... maybe he has gotten more info by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Jordi said: There was no official camouflage pattern for the MiG-25BM. It was all done freehand at the whim of the person painting it. There were MiG-25RB variants (reconnaissance vs. the BM which is a SEAD platform - a Wild Weasel) that had similar camouflage. But no two of them are anything alike. - That explain why the port and starboard side of Bort 37 are different even on the nose cone. Do you think the wing pylons and missile rails could have been camouflaged as well as it seems to be the case on the photo ?, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share Posted August 1, 2019 On 7/29/2019 at 5:25 PM, exdraken said: @koteyfrom Begemot decals put some info here several years ago already... unfortunately nothing new...... maybe he has gotten more info by now? -Hi Werner, - I got in touch with Kotey he couldn't tell me more as he has the same photos we are questioning about ......BUT.....! for several year I used to rely on the web to get photos of the planes I wanted discarding my old faithfull books, back to the middle age years I' ve discoverd these photos of BORT 37 in Yefim GORDON Red Star VOLUME N° 34 PAGE 74 and back cover these pictures assessinq unquestionably that the missiles rails were camouflaged giving another sense to the first photo I sent including the fact that the entire pylons are camouflaged as well knowing that there were no official patern of camouflage and painters free to assume their artistical feelings.. - You owe me a jar my friend.......🍻 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 wow! thanks! 🍻 books..... that old dust catching heavy thing in the shelf you mean? do not think I have this specific book.. but planed to go through the ones I have..... no time as of yet.... you know, always behind the screen... not on the coffeetable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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