Courageous Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Looks like you're on roll there Rob, good progress. 5 hours ago, robgizlu said: addition of Scuttles Looks like this scuttle fetish is contagious, @Ex-FAAWAFU has a much worse condition with his Ark. Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdo Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Less scuttlebutt, gerronwaeit! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripaman Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Great start Rob Regards Richard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 Thanks Stuart - I watch his scuttling with mild horror On 10/9/2019 at 12:25 AM, Murdo said: Less scuttlebutt, gerronwaeit! Chwarae teg!! On 10/11/2019 at 1:53 AM, Ripaman said: Great start Rob Regards Richard Thanks Richard. When promising primer - I had of course forgotten the exhaust outlets and the Cavitation plates The exhausts needed a bit of measuring to get in the right place. I drilled a hole in the hull and Through the exhaust assembly so as to position DSCF8784 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr The Cavitation plates are really nicely done and build up effortlessly DSCF8783 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr DSCF8785 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr At the same time the Great Little Ships mine cradle supports were bent and attached DSCF8786 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr And here's a dry run of the cradle supports in situ DSCF8787 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr DSCF8788 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr DSCF8791 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr You'll notice a single hole each side drilled abaft of the exhaust assemblies that the instructions bid you do - they were auxillary engine vents. I spent further time today studying the original pics - small as they are. I think Mark smith got it absolutely right in his diagram. "233" had her forward ammo lockers at a 45 degree angle which was atypical and secondly there is a 3rd single ammo locker just aft of the 0.5 turret which appears on plans and pics and was fairly common. There's no reference in the Coastal Craft instructions to fit this - so a 2nd type (smaller) ammo bin was taken from spares. Scan0311 - Copy by Rob Matthews, on Flickr This shows the general arrangement. The ammo bins need a fair bit of sanding and shimming to allow for the curved deck DSCF8790 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr It'll be tight fit with the torpedo tubes and mines - space was cramped on these "short" MTBs. And finally these arrived in the post today from Name it. Excellent service as ever! DSCF8793 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr Thanks for looking - more later Rob 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dads203 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Looking mighty awesome Rob, only to be expected keep it up fella. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Lovely shiny brass ware building the picture . . . . Looking forward to the next update Kev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Really nice work and the name plates just look so effective i will have to look into the GLS sets for future builds beefy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWS Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Nice progress, Rob. The nameplates look great. Is that second brass plate photo etched? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 Thanks Dan, Kev and Beefy. Beefy - the name pates are always excellent. The GLS sets are worth looking at but are fiddly. 20 hours ago, JohnWS said: Nice progress, Rob. The nameplates look great. Is that second brass plate photo etched? John Yes John - "Name-it" do the photo etched offerings. I used one on the Fairmile. There's a limit to the size (50 x 50mm) but I love them. And now a short interlude for a book review as part of the build experience DSCF8794 (2) by Rob Matthews, on Flickr I think it was @stevehnz who originally turned me onto this book, “The Battle of the narrow seas” by Peter Scott, son of Peter Falcon Scott (Scott of the Antarctic) and eventual renowned naturalist. He was a “Wavy Navy” (RNVR officer in Coastal forces and wrote this book immediately after the war recounting his and the broad experiences of Coastal forces in the English Channel throughout the war years. This Seaforth publication covers 233 pages with many photographs and several colour prints illustrating contemporary paintings. It is thoroughly readable and I highly commend it to anyone with a passing interest in Coastal Forces (often initially sniffily referred to by the regular Navy as “Costly Farces”). It was fascinating reading this alongside a “short” MTB build. I came away with several reflections 1) The engagements (almost always at night) were very visceral. At times almost Napoleonic with lines of MTBs Running up and down lines of “E” boats shooting broadsides at each other often over tens of yards! Absolutely brutal 2) Frequently bridges were hit by high caliber shells and effectively destroyed with the bridge crew being injured or killed, wooden splinters (once again Napoleonic)being a particular menace 3) Engine failures/breakdowns were frequent, as was battle-damage induced steering failures. I hadn’t realized how vulnerable steering was. 4) The navigation was clearly of a very high standard to position in the dark and often less than perfect weather. No GPS!! 5) Ramming enemy E-boats was not rare 6) I had not perhaps realized how big a part the Steam “Geese” gunboats played. Though peter Scott commanded one so perhaps there is some bias. Similarly the Fairmile C MGBs figure prominently – at Dieppe, St Nazaire and right up to D-day. 7) The MLs are given recognition for their unglamorous but highly necessary duties – including mine – laying, convoy protection etc. 😎 I had not realized that Mine-laying played such a pivotal role for MTBs/Coastal Craft as a whole. Appropriate given that I’m modelling “233” in quite such a role 9) That whilst the E-boats were unequivocally faster, experience in testing them after the war demonstrated that they rolled far greater than British boats and were consequently less stable gun platforms. Peter Scott often reflects that the German shooting was high or inaccurate 10) That the famous pictures of the 2 E-boats after the war, at Felixstowe had less to do with surrender as such, but instead represented the Germans delivering Mine plans for the whole channel I’m grateful to Steve (I’m certain it was Steve) for pointing this book out – grab a copy if you get a chance – highly recommended Thanks for looking in Rob 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdo Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Looking pretty impressive Rob, really neat work - which is often half the battle. Love those brass plates! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Thanks for the mention @robgizlu, very likely was me as I know I've mentioned it on these forum, likely several times. That is a handsome cover yours has, mine is a 1946 second printing with style very much reflecting post war austerity measures, nevertheless, it is treasured. I re-read mine a year or so back & totally concur with your review of it. Very much a must for anyone into these craft. Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Love the brass work, looking great. Name plates look pretty good too. I think I have a copy of the book too but as of yet haven't read it. Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdesaxe Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 A minor detail, but 'Scott of the Antarctic" was Robert Falcon Scott and his son was Peter. The book is indeed amazing - my father brought a copy home after he was demobilized in 1947 and I vividly remember reading it (in what was for me a rather foreign language) when I was about 7 years old - and drawing MTB's all over the place. Maurice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildagreek Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 This looks very smart, some fine detail work going on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Lovley looking brass and detail work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 Thanks Fellas. I knocked up a grating to emulate a "Helmsman's Stool" as Mr Lambert referred to it DSCF8795 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr And work continued on the bridge - I added a wheel mounting which definitely appears in some bridge pics though there seems to have been variation. The etched hand rails supplied by CC are a nice touch DSCF8796 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr DSCF8797 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr Most of the "looking down" pics I can find of these 1941 edition Vospers, appear to have the wind deflector partially covered adjoining the bridge walls. CC have not allowed for this. So I scratched some panels - the secondary gain being that the Wind deflector mating with the bridge walls will not have to be so precise DSCF8800 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr DSCF8799 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr The prop shafts were mounted..... DSCF8802 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr And finally first primer went on..... DSCF8801 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr There were a couple of minor blemishes to fill but otherwise the primer shows just what a nice job of deck moulding Coastal craft models have done These are not cheap models but when you see the array of fittings, you get some idea of the work that's gone into this.... DSCF8803 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr I spent tonight "wiring up" the Chemical Smoke Apparatus (CSA) which turned out OK - You can just see Samson posts and some Fire Extinguishers which are really nicely done DSCF8806 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr I also opened a set of "IFF & Radar aerials". "233" definitely had IFF which wasn't included with the base kit (the aerials were). It's rather elegant.... DSCF8807 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr Sadly the mast isn't so elegant and attempts to straighten it with hot water gentle tension etc have apparently failed DSCF8798 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr I've spent quite a bit of time studying Vosper pics and in many if not most the lower section of the mast is square not round. Here's a pic demonstrating the situation and coincidentally also shows those wind deflector top panels... mtb-9710 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr I've only got plastic 1.5mm square rod so I'm waiting for 1mm Brass rod to arrive from Ebay which I feel will be provide a more rigid mast DSCF8804 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr Thanks for looking Rob 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWS Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Nice detailed update, Rob. That pic of the MTB bridge structure is a nice find. Too bad about the mast ... one of the potential hazards of using resin parts. John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Expert progress as ever Rob, and a great insight into these resin kits from CC. The Peter Scott book looks like a must read, another one for the shopping list! Terry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Terry1954 said: Expert progress as ever Rob, and a great insight into these resin kits from CC. The Peter Scott book looks like a must read, another one for the shopping list! Terry Yes my shopping list seems to grow too whenever I look into one of Rob,s builds but it is always good value for your money cracking job so far these tips will come in very handy. beefy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Coming together nicely, you make it look so easy Kev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Very nice work Rob, love it. What size plastic did you use for 'stool'? The mast fix will be interesting to watch, especially if the mast tapers...does it? Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 Thanks Fellas 2 hours ago, Courageous said: Very nice work Rob, love it. What size plastic did you use for 'stool'? The mast fix will be interesting to watch, especially if the mast tapers...does it? Stuart Stuart, I used 0.3 x 0.5mm Plastruct rod - made a square 8mm wide and just built it up with 8mm long strips. Surprisingly it took about 5mins As to the mast - moot point. None of the pics of Vopser MTBs are particularly clear. In John Lamberts book, the profiles appear to show the bottom piece of the mast 16 ft high in square shape up to the top mast which was 9ft high. It does not appear tapered. Earlier MTBs had slightly different mast arrangements with some clearly being round. As is usual I suspect there was wide variation and fits differed yard to yard or after repairs. Peter Scott mentions several times about the top mast coming down due to damage. Interestingly the Airfix 73ft Vosper is supplied with a square "bottom" post which is untapered. So I'm going for an untapered bottom section unless anyone objects? Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 3 hours ago, robgizlu said: So I'm going for an untapered bottom section unless anyone objects? I thought you said the diet was working Works for me Kev 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 6 hours ago, longshanks said: I thought you said the diet was working Works for me Kev .....Aaaaah - You Young boys crack me up Nerdy searching produced these "new" (to me anyways) pics, and with Grateful acknowledgement to the fantastic IWM collection BRITISH LIGHT COASTAL FORCES OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR by Rob Matthews, on Flickr WITH AN MTB FLOTILLA. 6 OCTOBER 1944, FELIXSTOWE. MTBs OF THE 21ST FLOTILLA UNDER THE COMMAND OF LIEUTENANT GEORGE J MACDONALD, DSO, DSC AND 2 BARS, RNZNVR, OF WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND. THE CRAFT ARE BUILT BY VOSPER. by Rob Matthews, on Flickr The mast is square in section and untapered. I'm still mulling over how thick it is (you can see I've nothing better to fret about ) One of the challenges stated at Blog outset was to replicate the 20mm Oerlikon whose pedestal is "perforated".... WITH AN MTB FLOTILLA. 6 OCTOBER 1944, FELIXSTOWE. MTBs OF THE 21ST FLOTILLA UNDER THE COMMAND OF LIEUTENANT GEORGE J MACDONALD, DSO, DSC AND 2 BARS, RNZNVR, OF WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND. THE CRAFT ARE BUILT BY VOSPER. by Rob Matthews, on Flickr So after much reflection, I chose a "UM models" 200mmOerlikon set I had and took the plastic pedestal. They aren't bad models but are a bit underscale to my reckoning Here's the Coastal craft resin offering in comparison..... DSCF8810 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr My New doofer is the key. I slid the pedestal into diminishingly smaller holes - scribing an accurate circle at 0.5mm intervals.... DSCF8808 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr the scriber being my 6th form dissection set probe (invaluable!!) DSCF8809 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr Then a bit of geometry with a protractor.... DSCF8811 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr Which allowed me to mark the scribed circles at 30 degree segments.... DSCF8813 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr Et voila (happy boy ) Yet to be cleaned up, but you get the idea... DSCF8815 by Rob Matthews, on Flickr Now ready to move onto the paint stage. Thanks for looking, your support and encouragement is truly valuable Rob 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, robgizlu said: Then a bit of geometry with a protractor.... Blimey Rob you must have gone to a real posh school to be able to say those things never mind spell them the only thing I could count at school was how many times the teacher threw the board buster at me beefy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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