shortCummins Posted August 2, 2019 Author Share Posted August 2, 2019 17 hours ago, Pete in Lincs said: John, It's coming along very nicely. You're doing pretty much just what I would have done to it. If you can source some thin silver tape or bare metal foil he may be onto something here. Repair patches over bullet holes or missing panels? Keep on with the brainstorming! Pete kitchen tin foil may be an option, or wine bottle foil? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted August 2, 2019 Author Share Posted August 2, 2019 Small gaps were filled with perfect putty and cleaned up with q-tips and water. These gaps will be checked and fine-tuned after I spray some black primer, I’m 100% certain they’ll need more work. The Tamiya Corsair has the ailerons fixed in the down position, so I’ve removed the tabs to allow them to be positioned ‘straight’. This meant that I had to fill the tab holes. Landing gear doors also had their tabs removed and were glued ‘closed’, these will need some filler and then re-scribing. Ailerons attached Next I’ll be attaching the rear wing(s). until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 John, Kitchen foil may well do it. Have a look at one of the bare metal finish builds for the type of glue to use. I can't remember. Those ailerons are the flaps, and the rear wings are tailplanes. The fit of those gear doors is not pretty, they really wanted them in the open position didn't they? Cheers Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 9 hours ago, shortCummins said: kitchen tin foil may be an option, or wine bottle foil? Builder merchants, DIY places and some pound stores sell Aluminium tape, it's used for sealing joints on foil backed insulation. eg https://www.screwfix.com/p/diall-aluminium-foil-tape-silver-75mm-x-45m/4415v#_=p note they sell cheaper silver jointing tape, but this is like adhesive backed tin foil, it is pretty flexible, and can be bossed down and stretched a bit to conform to shapes. You can also gentleman's parts it with a point for rivets. Wine bottle foil far too often, unless it's posh wine, has plastic sheeting as part of it. thin 'lead' foil is often on malt whiskey bottles, and it 's possible to buy thin lead sheet/foil, great for seat belts and straps. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubar57 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 This build is turning out great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 On 02/08/2019 at 19:21, Pete in Lincs said: John, Kitchen foil may well do it. Have a look at one of the bare metal finish builds for the type of glue to use. I can't remember. Those ailerons are the flaps, and the rear wings are tailplanes. The fit of those gear doors is not pretty, they really wanted them in the open position didn't they? Cheers Pete Thanks Pete, I'm surprised by the lack of fit on the gear doors, I'd have thought better from Tamiya rgds John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 On 02/08/2019 at 21:39, Troy Smith said: Builder merchants, DIY places and some pound stores sell Aluminium tape, it's used for sealing joints on foil backed insulation. eg https://www.screwfix.com/p/diall-aluminium-foil-tape-silver-75mm-x-45m/4415v#_=p note they sell cheaper silver jointing tape, but this is like adhesive backed tin foil, it is pretty flexible, and can be bossed down and stretched a bit to conform to shapes. You can also gentleman's parts it with a point for rivets. Wine bottle foil far too often, unless it's posh wine, has plastic sheeting as part of it. thin 'lead' foil is often on malt whiskey bottles, and it 's possible to buy thin lead sheet/foil, great for seat belts and straps. HTH good info Troy, that tape looks interesting rgds John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 On 02/08/2019 at 22:06, fubar57 said: This build is turning out great thanks fubar57, I'm enjoying myself rgds John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 I think that the drawing has the rear of the aircraft based on a bf109? However I’m not going to try and bolt a 109 rear-end on, I’m going to ‘cut down’ the vertical stabiliser, rudder and tailplanes (thanks Pete) as I’m not aiming for an exact version of the drawing, just something that represents Christian's drawing. The Tamiya kit has a separate vertical stabiliser and fuselage spine, presumably to allow for either bubble top or razor back versions? The tip(s) of these were then removed with a fine razor-saw. I followed an existing panel line as a guide for the cut. Both of the tailplanes were given the same treatment. The spine, vertical stabiliser and rudder were fixed to the main fuselage. Next the tailplanes were attached. Next I’ll be attempting the rear cockpit section and fitting the windshield. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyDad Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Well done John; that's a simple but very effective way to change the tailplane shape with a nod to the Pearce drawing. Looking good! SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I agree, the rear end looks very different now. How much fun can you have without instructions? Lots! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 On 06/08/2019 at 08:30, shortCummins said: The Tamiya kit has a separate vertical stabiliser and fuselage spine, presumably to allow for either bubble top or razor back versions? No, the Razorback has a entire new fuselage, but the P-47 M has a spine fillet, and new cockpit. (as do some late D models) the P-47M kit has an extra tree with the new fin, and cockpit parts. https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/tam/kit_tam_61096.shtml hope of interest/use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 On 06/08/2019 at 10:27, SafetyDad said: Well done John; that's a simple but very effective way to change the tailplane shape with a nod to the Pearce drawing. Looking good! SD Thanks SD I'm aiming to replicate the "spirit" of the drawing rather than getting my model exact, for example my paint scheme will be noticeably different rgds John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 On 06/08/2019 at 16:41, Pete in Lincs said: I agree, the rear end looks very different now. How much fun can you have without instructions? Lots! lots of fun (so far) still waiting for a major hic-up, so far so good rgds John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 On 06/08/2019 at 17:40, Troy Smith said: No, the Razorback has a entire new fuselage, but the P-47 M has a spine fillet, and new cockpit. (as do some late D models) the P-47M kit has an extra tree with the new fin, and cockpit parts. https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/tam/kit_tam_61096.shtml hope of interest/use thanks Troy I've a feeling that I'll be building the P-47 "proper" in the future, this Tamiya kit will almost certainly be the one I opt for rgds John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 So the drawing shows an open cockpit with the rear part of the cockpit raised on the fuselage. The bubble-top P-47 doesn’t have a raised back for the cockpit so I’ll have to fabricate one. Both of the Tamiya kits have parts to make external fuel tanks, I thought that adapting one of these could be used. Part of one of the Corsair external fuel tanks placed over the cockpit to get an idea of what it could look like. A razor saw was used to cut it to size… …and this is what it will look like. I thinned the sides of the rear cockpit and gave the interior a coat of Tamiya XF-4. Then glued it to the fuselage. Some time ago I bought a set of master tools plastic circles from Hannants, I can’t remember why I got them any how as they have a number of different sizes I thought I could use one as an ‘inspection cover’, no I don’t know why there’d be one there either but I think it’ll look good. A little bit of sanding and I think it’ll look the part. Next re-fixed the gunsight, having broken it off several times, and then glued the kit windscreen, in the hope that it will give some protection to the gunsight and if I don’t fit it now I’ll probably forget it. Tamiya tape cut with a new blade was used as masks. What to do next, I’m in a bit of a quandary, the original graphic shows quite a lot of different bombs and rockets and my problem is “how to fix them” to the wing. Well first off its what bombs do I have in the spares box and then it’ll be how they will be fixed? I need to decide this before I glue together the outer-wing halves and pre-drill for any fixings. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 So I raided the spares box to see what bombs I have and which I can use, different sizes will be good and I want to find some way to attach them. Bombs were harvested from the Tamiya Corsair, Thunderbolt and Mosquito, Hasegawa P-38, Airfix Bf-109 and Eduard Spitfire(s) and Fw-190, I’m not sure that I’ll use all of these but I’ll bolt on as many as I can. Tamiya Corsair Tamiya Thunderbolt Tamiya Mosquito Hasegawa P-38 Airfix Bf-109 Eduard Spitfire Some of them have under-wing attachments which I’ll need to plan where to fit them and drill relevant holes for the attachments. This are a couple of proposed load-outs… I’m tempted to use the rocket launcher tubes from the P-47 kit …both subject to change!? Currently I’m leaning toward the second load-out as I really like the look of those rocket launchers. Most of the bombs have fixings that I’ll be able to use so any scratch building will be kept to a minimum. The Hasagewa P-38 kit has a couple of “U” shaped rocket launcher assemblies, one of which I plan to attach some bombs. I’m not sure which are the best size to be attached, I’ll have a play, favourites so far are either the Spitfire or the Bf109 bombs. Now that I’ve got a definite/maybe plan for the load-out next I’ll be attaching the outer wings. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Looking good. I just noticed support struts under the tailplanes on the original drawing as on a bf109E or Stuka. I like the rocket supports as bomb hangers. Can you fit horizontal pylons to them? At the rear of the cockpit fairing, how about a length of sprue to the fin? More sprue for the exhaust, chromed if possible! That circle on the cockpit fairing is obviously for filling the fuselage tank. Needs a Luftwaffe 87 octane triangle. Keep on rocking, you're doing great. Pete 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Will you be adding the Bf109's cowling guns to this like the original picture ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusty one Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 (edited) Looking good mate 👍 I agree the ticket launchers would look fantastic Edited August 8, 2019 by The Crusty one Additional 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted August 9, 2019 Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 On 08/08/2019 at 17:09, Pete in Lincs said: Looking good. I just noticed support struts under the tailplanes on the original drawing as on a bf109E or Stuka. I like the rocket supports as bomb hangers. Can you fit horizontal pylons to them? At the rear of the cockpit fairing, how about a length of sprue to the fin? More sprue for the exhaust, chromed if possible! That circle on the cockpit fairing is obviously for filling the fuselage tank. Needs a Luftwaffe 87 octane triangle. Keep on rocking, you're doing great. Pete Hi Pete I'm not sure what to do about the support struts, I had thought of shaping some styrene and nailing them in place however if I do this I'll add them after the initial paintwork, I'm going for a "shabby" NMF look and adding the struts before paint would cause more problems then adding them later? The rocket supports are about the right size for some small(ish) Bf109 bombs so that's what I'm going to use. Good idea about the sprue for the cockpit fairing I'll use that, thank you. I've a plan for the exhaust, as us suggest I'll be using more sprue however I plan to make them rusty as most of the airframe will be various shades of natural metal. I knew that circle would have an obvious purpose, I just couldn't think of it. your help and suggestions are greatly appreciated rgds John 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted August 9, 2019 Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 23 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Will you be adding the Bf109's cowling guns to this like the original picture ? I'd thought about adding the cowling guns but I can't see an obvious way of "blending" them in so I'm going to omit then rgds John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted August 9, 2019 Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 I’ve decided I like the rocket launcher tubes so holes were drilled in the under wing to allow for these and the bomb fixings. F4U “main” bomb Spitfire bomb and attachment with P47 rocket launches From left to right: P47 bomb & pylon, Bf109 bombs attached to P38 rocket supports, Mosquito bomb and rack, Spitfire bomb and attachment As you can see I’ve change the load-out and I’ve had to reposition where the bomb attachments will be fixed to the wings, I’ve two of three holes that will need to be filled as I was far too impatient and drilled the holes before positioning the bombs, the P38 structure with bombs attached proved to be larger than I’d anticipated. The Bf109 bombs all have had connection holes drilled and I’ve glued thin brass rod into the bottom of the P38 structure to enable a secure fit to the lower wing, the bombs make it quite heavy. I’ll wait until the main airframe paintwork has been finished before I fit the bombs and attachments but I needed to drill the connection holes now before I attached the outer wings, which I’ll be doing next. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 A shed load of bombs! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted August 10, 2019 Author Share Posted August 10, 2019 16 hours ago, Pete in Lincs said: A shed load of bombs! I'm reasonably convinced that she'd fly 'round in circles with this load-out 🤣 rgds John 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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