CedB Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 12 hours ago, giemme said: I think I've said this before, but anyway: I truly admire your patience, Crisp! Ciao What an accolade! I had asked Giorgio if he could bottle some of his patience for me. Perhaps I've now found a local supplier? Admirable Crisp, great stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted November 9, 2020 Author Share Posted November 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, CedB said: Admirable Crisp, great stuff. No, only Lieutenant Commanderable Crisp 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, CedB said: What an accolade! I had asked Giorgio if he could bottle some of his patience for me. Perhaps I've now found a local supplier? Most definitely, Ced - Crisp is in a totally different league Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted November 9, 2020 Author Share Posted November 9, 2020 7 hours ago, BlackAck said: If anything goes wrong at this point in this build, progress will have been, dare I say, scuttled... I'll see myself out... Yes, do scuttle off, please 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 Things get a bit more complicated midships, partly because there are several boat / crane / Carley float platforms & partly because Merit haven’t got it quite right (their boat bay platform is too long which throws everything else out if not fixed - happily it’s easy to do). [Edit: to be clear, all that’s wrong (both sides of hull) is that the platform itself extends too far forward of the hull opening, judging from photos and plans. All I have done is remove c.0.25 cm & sand it clean. Otherwise there isn’t room to get all W/T aerial / DG coil / ladder etc fitted in the space, which is what made me look more closely at it. Definitely not a big deal.] First up fitting the Carley platform, part brass part styrene tube. Black (primer) WT aerial balanced in position to get relative positioning right. Then the support struts underneath the boat deck, with scuttles interspersed (inevitably!). Still 3 or 4 to do, but getting there. Kagero drawings of her in 1941 absolutely invaluable; streets better than the Morskie on which I am almost certain the kit is based. More soon Crisp 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Nice to see more progress here, Crisp - great going! Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Oooh, brave man, those are very sticky out bits. Careful now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 hours ago, CedB said: Oooh, brave man, those are very sticky out bits. Careful now Not really; they’re underneath platforms which stick out maybe half a centimetre from the hull. Unless you mean the W/T aerial, in which case there’s no way that is getting glued any time soon - and even then only the fixed support structure; the 8 aerials themselves will be among the very last things added to the build, in a future that is still a very, very long way off! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Ah, I see now, just balanced on to get relative positioning right… Very wise, as always Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) Lovely neat work and as ever, admirable attention to detail. I envy you your sticking power - having lived with County Class Cruisers for 8/12, I'm sickof them I'm conscious that you are already 18/12 into this - Respect! Rob Edited November 16, 2020 by robgizlu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Much respect indeed. Placing ten of those scuttles on a 1/72 Vosper had me done! This is going to look pretty impressive when it all comes together. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 hours ago, robgizlu said: I'm conscious that you are already 18/12 into this - Respect! ...and there could easily be another year to run, I reckon. To be fair, once the scuttles are done I won’t be far away from being able to button the hull up (famous last words), and the island is probably 75% done. But there’s the minor matter of the Swordfish, figures, remaining weapons, seascape, paint job... 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 A further 25 scuttles fitted this evening, plus the remaining 3 supports under the boat deck. No photos. Little point; you know what scuttles look like by now! 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: No photos. Little point; you know what scuttles look like by now! 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 8 hours ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: But there’s the minor matter of the Swordfish, figures, remaining weapons, seascape, paint job... Guts of a fortnight to go then? (Seriously disciplined work on those support struts btw. 👏) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdave22014 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Crisp, given the high damage potential of the aerials, have you considered using small powerful magnets to attach them? That way they can easily be removed for transportation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Our Ned Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) As a minor point, the very detailed latticework "very sticky out bits" which Crisp has so admirably crafted are not the W/T aerials themselves, merely the masts to which the aerials were attached. The curved upper/outer ends were attachment points for wire aerials strung from one mast to the next, or to the deck edge. Although showing a different ship, Ross Watton Anatomy of the Ship: The Aircraft Carrier Victorious (Conway Maritime Press,1991) has a good drawing of the set-up. I suspect Crisp is well aware of this: more superdetailing (in a year's time)? Edited November 17, 2020 by Our Ned 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 Victorious is much better documented than Ark, with both “Anatomy of the Ship” and “In Original Builders’ Plans” books available (I have both). Though obviously there are some differences, the Illustrious design was in many ways an “Improved Ark Royal”, and this evidence of state-of-the-art late-30s British carrier design is invaluable - particularly in the details of how arrestor gear and ‘accelerators’ [catapults] were configured / equipped & similar. I have some Ark builders plans (from a sister book that covers a number of RN WW2 ships - British Warships of the Second World War, by John Roberts), but coverage of the port side in particular is scanty. Also, though the Navy was clearly proud of her and publicised her quite a lot (judging by the number of photos), she was only around for 3 years, 2 of which were in wartime when detailed photography was illegal! There is also the issue that plagues almost every ship modeller, in that even in 3 short years she evolved continually - a weapon moved here, a Carley float added there - so you have to be careful with ref photos (especially if, as I am, you are trying to depict a very specific moment in her life). Anyway, @Our Ned is right to call out my inexact terminology (but he’s also right that I already knew). The W/T aerial wires will indeed eventually be strung between Ced’s ‘very sticky out bits’ (fnarr). In fact if I were a betting man I’d say that might well be the absolutely last thing to be added to this model. The wires strung between the lowered pylons are also the reason why @Bigdave22014’s magnet idea is probably impractical. She will be on a large-ish base, and probably under a cover; that should minimise risk of damage if ever transported. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbudde Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) Will look like a true Ark Royal in the end, I guess. Cheers Edited November 17, 2020 by bbudde 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 Scuttled-up-large as far as the front of the armoured belt... “Only” the bow section to do now (but that’s the most complicated section, obvs). Working tomorrow evening, but more soon Crisp 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Your dedication to all the fine details is truly inspirational Stay Safe beefy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 A Sea King beautifully ‘rivetted’ and now an Ark-Royal comprehensively’scuttled’; incredible methodical and consistent application and skill Crisp. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: Scuttled-up-large as far as the front of the armoured belt... A new definition of the verb "to scuttle" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelholic Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 So was (to)"Scuttle" 'Sink the ship by opening the scuttles and letting the wet stuff in'? Bit of a git later in the war when they plated most of them over. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Modelholic said: So was (to)"Scuttle" 'Sink the ship by opening the scuttles and letting the wet stuff in'? Originally, yes... kind of. The original definition of a scuttle was just a hole - pretty much any hole - in a ship or boat. Then it became a verb... “to make a hole in a ship or boat”. The “sink by making a hole in a boat” becomes pretty obvious after that - but scuttling any ship that’s even remotely modern would be done by opening the sea cocks (designed to let water OUT in dry dock), rather than anything to do with my kind of scuttle. Scuttle as in coal scuttle come from a totally different route; one is Old Norse, the other Old French 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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