dickrd Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 4 hours ago, iang said: Do we know for sure when the port side pom poms were fitted? 21-24 April 1941 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iang Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, dickrd said: 21-24 April 1941 And the source please Dick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickrd Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 42 minutes ago, iang said: And the source please Dick? A&A documentation in ADM 136/18 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 Thanks, Richard; I had previously believed (as I think had Ian) that the port pom-poms weren’t fitted until after the Bismarck action. A&A documentation is pretty conclusive; fitted in Gib about a month pre-Bismarck, then. I see 2 further sessions of intricate Tetra brass-wrangling in my future; I currently have 4 complete pom-poms. Ah well; adds more visual interest! 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iang Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 It also changes things as far as the photographic evidence is concerned. I have an original photo, taken from an aircraft that has just taken off, showing 12 Swordfish on deck armed with torpedoes. The port side pom-poms are in place. I've just checked the log details as recorded by Naval History net and the only time there is a record of 12+ torpedo armed Swordfish after April 21 is during the Bismarck chase. An Interesting detail revealed by the photo is the bow round down between the two catapults has the starboard third overpainted in a very dark grey. It also looks like the starboard catapult mechanism is exposed at the bow end (and I assume not functioning). Edit Crisp has pointed out that it's the cradle on the starboard catapult. Once you've seen it, impossible to mistake for anything else... One of the drawbacks of very high magnification. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickrd Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: Thanks, Richard; I had previously believed (as I think had Ian) that the port pom-poms weren’t fitted until after the Bismarck action. A&A documentation is pretty conclusive; fitted in Gib about a month pre-Bismarck, then. I see 2 further sessions of intricate Tetra brass-wrangling in my future; I currently have 4 complete pom-poms. Ah well; adds more visual interest! In case it makes any visual difference, the two fitted in April 1941 were Mk VIA mountings with Mk VIII "low velocity" guns. Edited March 24, 2023 by dickrd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF4EVER Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, iang said: It also changes things as far as the photographic evidence is concerned. I have an original photo, taken from an aircraft that has just taken off, showing 12 Swordfish on deck armed with torpedoes. The port side pom-poms are in place. I've just checked the log details as recorded by Naval History net and the only time there is a record of 12+ torpedo armed Swordfish after April 21 is during the Bismarck chase. An Interesting detail revealed by the photo is the bow round down between the two catapults has the starboard third overpainted in a very dark grey. It also looks like the starboard catapult mechanism is exposed at the bow end (and I assume not functioning). Any chance of seeing this photo, please? Edited March 24, 2023 by RAF4EVER forgot to be polite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iang Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 hour ago, RAF4EVER said: Any chance of seeing this photo, please? Normally I'm happy to share, but not in this case. I've an unpublished manuscript on 'Air Attacks on Bismarck' (with Mark Horan), and intend to use the photo in the book. Sorry. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF4EVER Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) OK,thank you for your reply 12 hours ago, iang said: It also changes things as far as the photographic evidence is concerned. I have an original photo, taken from an aircraft that has just taken off, showing 12 Swordfish on deck armed with torpedoes. The port side pom-poms are in place. I've just checked the log details as recorded by Naval History net and the only time there is a record of 12+ torpedo armed Swordfish after April 21 is during the Bismarck chase. An Interesting detail revealed by the photo is the bow round down between the two catapults has the starboard third overpainted in a very dark grey. It also looks like the starboard catapult mechanism is exposed at the bow end (and I assume not functioning). Any chance of seeing this photo? Edited March 24, 2023 by RAF4EVER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted April 5, 2023 Author Share Posted April 5, 2023 Not for the first time, I think I have finished to two side views; still working on the plan view - these are amended as per the discussions above re port side Pom-poms etc - so as far as I can work out, show her as she was at the time of Bismarck action. Plan view follows! Crisp 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Outstanding job, Crisp! Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Seconded! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 18 hours ago, giemme said: Outstanding job, Crisp I concur.... 3 hours ago, CedB said: Seconded! ........doubly so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Skilful work there Crisp. Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchentable Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Crisp I hope you are getting the point that everyone thinks your build is amazing. As you know I have been using your build history to help me on my 1/600 Ark Royal. So, I have a question on the scuttles. There are no 1/600 scuttles on the market (unless someone knows different) but I have bought a set of Eduard USN 1/700 scuttles. My question is: what is the size of the of the "glass" in your 1/350 model scuttles, or what are they at life size? I have done a couple of trial drill outs to 0.5mm which means 300mm full scale. They look a bit small though. Kitchentable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted June 10, 2023 Author Share Posted June 10, 2023 On 6/2/2023 at 4:09 PM, kitchentable said: Crisp I hope you are getting the point that everyone thinks your build is amazing. As you know I have been using your build history to help me on my 1/600 Ark Royal. So, I have a question on the scuttles. There are no 1/600 scuttles on the market (unless someone knows different) but I have bought a set of Eduard USN 1/700 scuttles. My question is: what is the size of the of the "glass" in your 1/350 model scuttles, or what are they at life size? I have done a couple of trial drill outs to 0.5mm which means 300mm full scale. They look a bit small though. Kitchentable The bad news… is there is more than one size. Having said that, the vast majority of them are the same. I’m not at home as I write, but I’ll do some measuring over the weekend and get back to you. I’d have thought that the visual difference between 1/600 & 1/700 would be too small to matter, especially since yours would be if anything slightly too small - better than too big. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted June 12, 2023 Author Share Posted June 12, 2023 @kitchentable I have measured the PE scuttles as accurately as I can. Most of them are c.1.35mm external diameter (not including the 'eyebrow' water channel above the scuttle), and c.1.1mm internal diameter. The small ones (for which I am pretty sure I used 1/700 PE) are c.0.75mm external & c.0.55mm internal. [If I were you I wouldn't bother with 2 sizes at your scale!] Hope that helps Crisp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF4EVER Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Just found this on You Tube: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted June 14, 2023 Author Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, RAF4EVER said: Just found this on You Tube: Haven’t watched it yet, but there’s sone extremely dodgy colour choices in the colourised still that shows up… Thanks. Haven’t watched it yet, but whoever did that colourised photo needs to have a strong word with himself; some highly dubious colour choices, Edited June 14, 2023 by Ex-FAAWAFU Correcting my own ineptitude 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Just wondering how's things Crisp? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 On 10/11/2023 at 9:00 AM, perdu said: Just wondering how's things Crisp? Heavily tied up in real life nonsense - the legal dispute with my employers - plus I want to finish the Sea King build before I pick up Ark again. When I can carve myself some time at the bench, there’s probably only a couple of days’ work left (I have started the decals and she will only need a small amount of weathering)… but I have to fight my way out of legal papers, briefing people like @Fritag, redacting hundreds of pages of my medical records, and all that malarkey. It’s not a mojo issue, it’s just time. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Hoping things improve quickly. 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, perdu said: Hoping things improve quickly. 👍 Amen to that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 hours ago, perdu said: Hoping things improve quickly. Echo that Crisp. Light at the end of the tunnel and all that hopefully. T 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Sorry to hear of your troubles with your employer Crisp. I'm hoping all come out to your satisfaction. Life is sometime a little r a lot tedious. I'm sure you will get back to this and your other builds soonest. Colin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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