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Can anyone tell me  if the bomb-bay in the Italari IL28 Beagle is in the right place? I'm wondering if its too far back or perhaps the underfuselage radome too far forward with a too short nosewheel gear bay?

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Hello Stressy,

 

here is an original drawing showing locations in meters. Possibly it can give you the required answers.

 

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Kind Regards,

Antti

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And here is another one showing the metric scale more clearly. This one comes from original factory manual as well

 

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Antti

 

 

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Thanks for posting those Antti, surprised to see the data written in English.

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Hello James,

 

the Soviets had some of the manuals written in flawless Oxford English. These were intended for export aircraft. You should see the original export air crew manual! Possibly the best I've ever read.

 

One aircraft had all cockpit placards printed in Oxford English (Starboard, Port, undercarriage, ...) and an another had "American English" (Left hand, right hand, landing gear, ...). Then of course there were two aircraft with Russian placards.

 

Cheers,

Antti

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On 6/21/2019 at 1:27 AM, Antti_K said:

the Soviets had some of the manuals written in flawless Oxford English.

"The Cambridge Five" translated manual......

in its spare time from espionage!

😁

( Joke, of course!)

On 6/18/2019 at 4:11 PM, Antti_K said:

Further images and information available here:

 



 

Good  topic! But some small page in topic!  😉😁😁😁What is 4 pages about IL-28 in 48th scale in comparison with 80 pages

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20388&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

about IL-28 in 100th scale?

😁😁😁

Finished there:

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20388&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1520

Separate photo:

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_635318_1328259713_IMG_2481.jpg.html

 

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_635318_1328259720_IMG_2483.jpg.html

 

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_635318_1328259725_IMG_2499.jpg.html

 

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_635318_1328259734_IMG_2515.jpg.html

 

To those persistent and courageous people who will be able to simply view all 80 pages 😁😁 of the topic about the building 

of this IL-28 1/100 scale, inside the topic will open knowledge about all the known literature, manual & some interesting photo 

(including the completely black IL-28 portraying Canberra in the Soviet spy movie! 😁)

on the IL-28 at that time!

😁

Sorry, but I will not indicate on which specific page of the topic these links are located, for the second time I am afraid I will not be able to read this topic!🤗😁

 

B.R.

Serge

 

 

 

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Serge, wait until I get my hands on a new Bobcat Models' Il-28 kit. Let's see if we can reach 100 pages with that.😉

 

It seems I have to scroll through all those pages if I want see that all black Beagle...

 

Cheers,

Antti

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1 hour ago, Antti_K said:

seems I have to scroll through all those pages

I guess I placed these links in vain.  Because it is a very strong demotivator for me.  I just personally understand that at this level I cannot make models.

 

B.w. 

"Album of the main types, diagrams and drawings IL-28"

http://scalemodels.ru/news/10095-albom-osnovnykh-vidov-skhem-i-chertezhejj-il-28.html

 

B.R.

Serge

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On 6/23/2019 at 2:01 AM, Aardvark said:

 

(...the completely black IL-28 portraying Canberra in the Soviet spy movie! 😁)

on the IL-28 at that time!

😁

Sorry, but I will not indicate on which specific page of the topic these links are located, for the second time I am afraid I will not be able to read this topic!🤗😁

 

B.R.

Serge

 

 

 

You will find the "black Il-28 Canberra" on page 18 of the mentionned topic.

 

But, as it seems, there were some black "operational" Il-28s:

Il-28 Pakistan Air Force - later exchanged against B-57 Canberras 

 

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Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Diego said:

 

But, as it seems, there were some black "operational" Il-28s:

Il-28 Pakistan Air Force - later exchanged against B-57 Canberras 

Nothing extraordinary in exotic camouflage IL-28 other country.

 

But painting aircraft Soviet Air Force in different colour than silver it's rare. Most this situation it became possible only thanks to the movie. 

Because of this, we can see black Soviet lL-28 in role "Canberra" & Yak-25RV in role "U-2".

MiG-17, IL-38 & Tu-128(no photo, no this movie in internet) with stencil "U.S. Air Force" or Mi-24 with (don't remember) "National Guard" (?).

Due to the fact that after the film, many planes were not repainted immediately or were repainted carelessly, there were cases when for some time the planes were exploited in the "cinema camouflage".

This led to interesting collisions, like this Be-12 with a swastika:

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that had previously depicted a German hydroplane in the movie "Torpedonoscy" ("Torpedo bomber's").

B.w. on my option it's best movie about  Soviet pilot WW2.

 

Therefore, it is possible that such a "black IL-28"

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could be used for some time after shooting a film in the USSR Air Force.

What is an indirect confirmation:

"Immediately for some reason I remembered the story of my friend.  He served in military service in 1974, in the air defense forces in the Far East, somewhere near Khabarovsk.  And just like that, on one of the teachings, the entire personnel of the unit was urgently ordered to leave the airfield and concentrate in the barracks.  At this very moment a black plane landed on the strip.  Quickly refueled and took off again.  What it was still not clear.  I confess, even from the beginning, I took his story for an ordinary army bike.  But now I admit that it could be true.  Photo did not show him yet."

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20388&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=340

 

B.R.

Serge 

 

Edited by Aardvark

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Fascinating photos. Thank's for sharing Diego and Serge🙂 Do you possible have some more?

 

Cheers,

Antti

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Posted (edited)

An interesting fact is that the serial Il-28Ts, as used by the Soviet Navy and then the Indonesian Air Force and Navy , didn't use the tip tanks and had a standard, small radar dome under their bellies ( they also had a "standard" bomb bay used to accommodate the smaller RAT-52 rocket-propelled torpedo - the new kit being correct if build without the external fuselage racks ).

However, it seems that a more secretive variant, the Il-28A (N) nuclear attack bomber, was equipped with a bigger underbelly radar dome, similar to the one supplied with the Bobcat kit. 

Six Il-28As, 33 Il-28Ts and 3 Il-28Us were send to Cuba during 1962, leading a.o. to the infamous Cuban Missile Crisis, but were shipped back to the USSR after the Kennedy-Khrushchev agreement. 

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Il-28 (A?, T?) in Cuba:

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Il-28(U?) landing mishap in Cuba - note what seems to be a faired over rear gun turret, the absence of a belly radome and no markings at all.

 

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Edited by Diego

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Hello Diego and Co.,

 

I just ordered the kit from Hannants. As I'm sitting and waiting I dug all the course material from the attic and started to read from page 1. An original manual states that the wing of Il-28T was moved 100 mm (ca. 2 mm in 1/48 scale) backwards (when compared to Il-28 or Il-28R). The manual also gives "weird" measurements for the bomb bay. Some more researching will take place when the kit arrives. I guess I won't be moving the wing as the wing glove looks very nice in the photos. I'll keep you posted.

 

Cheers,

Antti

 

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6 hours ago, Diego said:

However, it seems that a more secretive variant, the Il-28N nuclear attack bomber, 

In most Russian source (include Russian Wikipedia) used name IL-28A for this modification. A - decoding as "Atomnyi - Atomic"

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bomber/il28.html

West recourse (include English Wikipedia)

use IL-28N where N - decoding as "Nositel - Carrier"

 

Where is true?

"....the truth is out there..."(c)

😁😁😁

 

B.R.

Serge

 

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Interesting detail Serge, thanks! My "export manuals" give Il-28N.

 

Cheers,

Antti

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Posted (edited)
15 hours ago, Antti_K said:

Hello Diego and Co.,

 

I just ordered the kit from Hannants. As I'm sitting and waiting I dug all the course material from the attic and started to read from page 1. An original manual states that the wing of Il-28T was moved 100 mm (ca. 2 mm in 1/48 scale) backwards (when compared to Il-28 or Il-28R). The manual also gives "weird" measurements for the bomb bay. Some more researching will take place when the kit arrives. I guess I won't be moving the wing as the wing glove looks very nice in the photos. I'll keep you posted.

 

Cheers,

Antti

 

Hello Antti,

The Il-28T story is a rather complicated one, as there were at least 5 versions on the "T", four different prototypes, a.o. with a different nose glazing and other modifications ( moved wing, longer bomb bay and other equipment like tip tanks) and finally, a serial T with practically no external differences when compared with the bomber variant (even the underbelly radome was standard), capable of launching the shorter RAT-52 torpedoes from the bomb bay...

Anyway, please keep us informed :)

Greetings

Diego

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Thank you Diego🙂

 

I gues it is best to wait for the kit to arrive and then compare it's dimensions against the data for Il-28 and Il-28R. I'll keep you informed.

 

Cheers,

Antti

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Funny combination:

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The pre-WW2 fuel tanker BZ-35 fills the jet IL-28.

 

Resource:

https://zaika70.livejournal.com/62342.html

 

Important information.  Be very very careful with using this photo for commercial purposes without agreeing with its owner https://zaika70.livejournal.com  It is also not desirable to post photos without link to https://zaika70.livejournal.com

for non-commercial purposes.

 

B.R.

Serge

 

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Posted (edited)

There was also an IL-28U for a movie production. Today it's in bad state: https://www.airfighters.com/photo/104850/M/East-Germany-Air-Force/Ilyushin-IL-28U/193/

The iron cross (on strange place) is still visible, the swastika not (no wonder). As this was used for static display only, the right side wasn't camouflaged. If the cammo scheme wouldn't be that difficult, I could not resist...

Edited by Floggerman

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5 hours ago, Floggerman said:

There was also an IL-2U for a movie production. Today it's in bad state: https://www.airfighters.com/photo/104850/M/East-Germany-Air-Force/Ilyushin-IL-28U/193/

The iron cross (on strange place) is still visible, the swastika not (no wonder). As this was used for static display only, the right side wasn't camouflaged. If the cammo scheme wouldn't be that difficult, I could not resist...

After this photo my fantasy is broken! 😁 Because I don't understand for the plot of what movie could such a IL-28U be jolted with iron crosses and in this type of camouflage ???

🤔😲

B.w. forgotten IL-28U somewhere in Russia:

 

B.R.

Serge

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Excellent video Serge! Thanks for sharing🙂

 

The port nacelle interior clearly shows that dirty yellow colour also found in Finnish Air Force examples NH-1, NH-3 and NH-4 (Possibly in NH-2 as well). It is also an interesting detail that "Interior Green" was used in other interior surfaces in the nose area.

 

Cheers,

Antti

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