Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Im looking for info as far as colors ? Were they white always ? Or did they get painted grey or green at some point ? I have seen photo's in museums of the green/grey. Also when did the RAF start carrying the Radar guided Martel and TV guided Martel ? When they carried the TV guided Martel i know it used a datalink pod, does anyone have specs for the datalink pod ? Any help is appreciated ? Thank you in advance. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 There used to be a great site on the web for all Bucc armament options but I lost the url when my last computer died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Julien said: There used to be a great site on the web for all Bucc armament options but I lost the url when my last computer died Thanks i will try to google it ? I think i found it is this the one you were thinking in post #6. If so its defunct. 😕 Edited June 5, 2019 by Corsairfoxfouruncle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT7567 Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Thanks i will try to google it ? I think i found it is this the one you were thinking in post #6. If so its defunct. 😕 The wayback machine has records from 2017 that may unclude the info you need. https://web.archive.org/web/20170810130415/http://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk/Contents.html 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 1 hour ago, CT7567 said: The wayback machine has records from 2017 that may unclude the info you need. https://web.archive.org/web/20170810130415/http://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk/Contents.html Many thanks the link had some good info, however nothing on the colors or schematic of the datalink pod. Sadly some of the pages didn't load. But i have bookmarked the page for future reference. Im thinking i may just leave the pylons empty for future use. A couple of rocket pods and or bombs would be a good option if i had any. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Womby Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 FWIW, the 1/72 Airfix kit includes the datalink pod. I have a spare. If you want it, PM me your address. David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Found on the web; 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 The painting instructions for the Czech Master RAF S.2B Kit which now seems to be one of the dead links on the Wayback site show it as being overall gloss white. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulT 876 Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Hi I remember asking one time when i was in the line hut off 12 sqn at Lossie why the 700's had TV or RAD in dayglo tape on the front covers, was told that it was that the a/c was only wired up for TV or Rad and not both, I do remember quite a few times the grews used to come back in to 12 sqn Flying clothing where i worked and would say they had to cancell the trip as the kite had gone tit's up and no TV or RAD kite was spare to use. Some one who serviced the Bucc might have more details ref this. Paul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 11 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Many thanks the link had some good info, however nothing on the colors or schematic of the datalink pod. Sadly some of the pages didn't load. But i have bookmarked the page for future reference. Im thinking i may just leave the pylons empty for future use. A couple of rocket pods and or bombs would be a good option if i had any. Dennis The Aeroguide should have a bit on Martels, but it would probably primarily cover mid 80s stuff as the booklet was released then - available on boxartden as pdf, but the page won't load for me, otherwise I'd have posted a link. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 (edited) One thing I never understood with the TV Martel data pod, why it could be fitted either way round? Note in Juliens post that the pod appears to be mounted different ways, with slender cone facing fwd in the flying shot, and aft in the ground shot. Edit, answered my own Q, second one is the radar Martel training pod. Edited June 5, 2019 by 71chally 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phone Phixer Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 The Martel started out white in colour. Later on, green examples appeared, but there is no definite timeline for the change in colour. This photo shows a trial fit for the Vulcans during the Falklands war and the missile is a mixture. https://defenceoftherealm.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/vulcan-martel-examiner.jpg. The data link pod is the one in the top photo of Julian's post. It was fitted that way round as it would transmit to the missile as the Bucc "bravely ran away". The lower photo is a TVAT pod, used to give the nav training in guiding the anti-ship TV Martel during its flight. It was a data link pod with different internals, including the TV camera, fitted the other way round. Note that both the data link and TVAT pods used a special pylon that is angled in the opposite way to the normal "universal" pylon. Rob. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted June 6, 2019 Author Share Posted June 6, 2019 Many thanks @Phone Phixer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 8 hours ago, Phone Phixer said: The Martel started out white in colour. Later on, green examples appeared, but there is no definite timeline for the change in colour. This photo shows a trial fit for the Vulcans during the Falklands war and the missile is a mixture. https://defenceoftherealm.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/vulcan-martel-examiner.jpg. The data link pod is the one in the top photo of Julian's post. It was fitted that way round as it would transmit to the missile as the Bucc "bravely ran away". The lower photo is a TVAT pod, used to give the nav training in guiding the anti-ship TV Martel during its flight. It was a data link pod with different internals, including the TV camera, fitted the other way round. Note that both the data link and TVAT pods used a special pylon that is angled in the opposite way to the normal "universal" pylon. Rob. The round in the vulcan picture is a trial missile, not an operational round. Martels would have gone overall green in the mid 1970's with the introduction of wrap around camoflage schemes on tactical aircraft. Its no use having wrap around camoflage on your Bucc with big white missiles on , it defeats the objective of the camoflage! Selwyn 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phone Phixer Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Nah, wouldn't spoil the camo. The only things lower than a Buccaneer on a maritime sortie are fish!! 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 (edited) John Edited June 9, 2019 by canberra kid 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 (edited) On 6/8/2019 at 12:35 AM, Phone Phixer said: Nah, wouldn't spoil the camo. The only things lower than a Buccaneer on a maritime sortie are fish!! There was one well publicised complaint made by the Captain of a McBraynes ferry somewhere out among the Western Isles about a pair of Buccaneers bracketing his ship below bridge level. But they were not too shy over land either with the T-Shirt slogan that appeared following Buccaneer show-of-force flights during Operation Pulsator that 'Buccaneers fly THROUGH Beirut not over it'. While on a visit to ATC at Leuchars about twenty years ago one of the longer serving controllers described an airfield attack that had been requested by Buccaneers from Lossie who were duly given clearance and started to call out their distance to run with growing consternation in the tower with no visual sightings and nothing on radar even as they called airfield in sight until they appeared climbing over the trees around the north edge of the airfield and passed either side of the tower at window height as all within dived for the floor. Just now, Des said: Edited June 9, 2019 by Des Oops hit button twice 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 excellents shots John, I would say of the same Bucc carrying TV and radar guided Martels. Be warned for modelling though, I think the first shot is reversed as the data pod was generally fitted to the stb'd inner pylon, as in the flying shot. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lime Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 7 hours ago, 71chally said: excellents shots John, I would say of the same Bucc carrying TV and radar guided Martels. Be warned for modelling though, I think the first shot is reversed as the data pod was generally fitted to the stb'd inner pylon, as in the flying shot. That was my initial thought too, but note the IFR and pitot are in the correct positions. Mark. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 You're right Mark, I missed the obvious there, along with nose gear door. Well that knocks a long held belief out of the field! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 I like stirring things up 😊 John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 It looks like they do come in green too? And this one has nothing to do with anything, but it's a cracking photo! John 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, canberra kid said: And this one has nothing to do with anything, but it's a cracking photo! John It is indeed , thanks for sharing. Edited June 10, 2019 by Des 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 They are all great photo's John @canberra kid and some great stories there @Des. My own Buccaneer story happened when I was 17 on a geography field trip in Wales. We had climbed a small hill to sit on some rocks at the top for lunch. Two Buccaneers came hurtling up the valley below us and as the nearest one passed what seemed like not very far below us, banking around our hill, I could clearly see the back seater looking up at us as they passed! Great memories of a great aircraft. Terry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 13 hours ago, canberra kid said: It looks like they do come in green too? And this one has nothing to do with anything, but it's a cracking photo! John The top shot is of XW527 at St Mawgan mid 1980s with a training pod fitted, and yes they got camo'd with the missiles. I love that full colour gloss finish, that's how an RAF Buccaneer should look to me! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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