DaveJL Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Hello all, Could anyone tell me what model of Sabre the RAF used? I've read online that they were Canadair built jets - are there any visual differences on this variant compared to, say, an Academy F-86F kit? Cheers Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisrope Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Canadair Sabre Mk.4 were used by the RAF. Earlier ones used the slatted narrower F-86E wing and later ones the broader F-86F non slatted wing with the little fences. Some, but not all, were “re-winged” with the later wings so you need to see which Aircraft you want to build as to which wing it had at the time The Academy F-86 is a good starting kit for an RAF Sabre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaw Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 If you can find the excellent book The Canadair Sabre in RAF Service by Duncan Curtiss that will tell you which Sabres had the slatted wing and which had the later 6-3 wing With fences. Bear in mind the some aircraft with the slatted wing had the 6-3 wing retrofitted whilst others retained the slatted wing throughout their RAF service. As a VERY VERY rough guide those with the XB serials had the slatted wing initially ( but may have had the 6-3 wing retrofitted ) whilst those with XD serials tended to have the 6-3 wing from the outset. Hope me this helps but the book will give definite guidance. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisrope Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 @Paul J is selling the Sabre book here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayprit Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, DaveJL said: Hello all, Could anyone tell me what model of Sabre the RAF used? I've read online that they were Canadair built jets - are there any visual differences on this variant compared to, say, an Academy F-86F kit? Cheers Dave This subject has been done to death on this site, if you do a search of britmodeller you will find loads of articles on the wing configuration of the RAF Sabre...………..heres just one, there are plenty more :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveJL Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 Thanks for the responses chaps. These are the only decals I can find from a quick search - the IV Sqn jet - straight out of the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Quick glance turned up these ones as well - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-48-Eagle-Strike-Decals-F-86-Sabres-Monogram-Academy-Revell-Tamiya-Hasegawa/153498824640?hash=item23bd3e2fc0:g:HfoAAOSw42dZBk-o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 You could also take a look at the recent RAF Sabre Build by @Fatcawthorne which might give you a few ideas. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveJL Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 28 minutes ago, Des said: Quick glance turned up these ones as well - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-48-Eagle-Strike-Decals-F-86-Sabres-Monogram-Academy-Revell-Tamiya-Hasegawa/153498824640?hash=item23bd3e2fc0:g:HfoAAOSw42dZBk-o Nice options on there, cheers. 11 minutes ago, Biggles87 said: You could also take a look at the recent RAF Sabre Build by @Fatcawthorne which might give you a few ideas. John Will do, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, chrisrope said: Some, but not all, were “re-winged” with the later wings Not really re-winged, they just had their leading edges replaced. 2 hours ago, jaw said: As a VERY VERY rough guide those with the XB serials had the slatted wing initially ( but may have had the 6-3 wing retrofitted ) whilst those with XD serials tended to have the 6-3 wing from the outset. Mmm, not really the case, plenty of the XD aircraft had slats, I guess its natural to assume that because XD serialled aircraft came after the XB serialled aircraft they were delivered later but I don't think that was actually the case, you'd have to check the Beechers Brook deliveries but I think they were all mixed up. The XD aircraft were designated for ADGB, I haven't seen a picture of one of these painted in anything other than silver undersides. The XB aircraft were intended for service with RAFG and had PRU Blue undersides (both had DSG/DG uppersurfaces). I don't recall any of the ADGB jets serving in Germany but there were numerous cases of RAFG jets ending up with 66 and 92 Sqns in the UK. There was at least one XB serialled jet with silver undersides but with the PRU Blue higher demarcation serving with 66 Sqn. @Sabrejet is the main man for this subject. Edited May 29, 2019 by Wez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 hours ago, jaw said: If you can find the excellent book The Canadair Sabre in RAF Service by Duncan Curtiss that will tell you which Sabres had the slatted wing and which had the later 6-3 wing With fences. "Curtis" (one 's') 4 Squadron operated only '6-3' winged aircraft so the Academy kit should be a good starting point. The only two major differences between the kit and the 4 Sqn aircraft would be to delete the prominent intake/vent panel at the leading edge of the vertical tail fin (simple case of sanding it flush); the Sabre 4 had a very simple exhaust duct in that area. Second thing to do is add the two small vents along the fuselage side which are a feature of F-86A/E and also the Canadair Sabres. I'll post some images in a bit to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Here you go: 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 F-86E/Canadair Sabre fuselage (note prominent mid-fuselage vent and the simple exhaust vent at the base of the vertical fin extension): And then the complex vent/exhaust panel of the F-86F (the bit you need to sand flush): 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveJL Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 Thank you mate, that is a great help! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Note also black cockpit & panels on F-86E/Canadair and gray on F-86F; it's a bit more complex than that but it's not a bad general guide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 13 hours ago, Wez said: @Sabrejet is the main man for this subject. He should be, as he is the author of that bible mentioned above 😉 Another worthwhile book is Larry Milberry‘s tome, but it may take a bit of searching to find one at a reasonable price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Duncan, You are da man! Thanks, as always for sharing your reference library with the rest of us Sabrephiles! I bet @Courageous left drool on his screen! (Now he's gotta pry the canopy off of his last build to put all those goodies behind the bang seat!) Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 3 hours ago, 72modeler said: drool on his screen! Nah, I'm slowly building my own library, it already has Duncan's and Larry's books in it but I'll never have a reference library like Duncan's and many others. 3 hours ago, 72modeler said: Now he's gotta pry the canopy off of his last build to put all those goodies behind the bang seat! Nah, they'll be staying 'as-is', I do enough to satisfy the major characteristics for the craft I'm doing and that's it....so many Sabres, so little time. Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now