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1/48 - Lockheed (C)F-104C/G/J/S-ASA/M & TF-104G/DJ Starfighter by Kinetic - released - new Hypersonic Models F-104B/D conv. set - new CF-104D boxing in 2024


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22 minutes ago, DaveJL said:

I don't know much about Starfighters, but would this boxing make an accurate F-104S? I had toyed with getting a Hasegawa kit and then the Daco set with it.

In a word, no!

 

The F-104S had slightly different intakes and additional fins/strakes (not sure of the correct technical term) under the rear fuselage; I don't have the Kinetic kit (yet!), but from the sprue pics. posted earlier in this thread the F-104S parts don't seem to be included. I'm also sure that there were plenty of other less obvious differences between the F-104G and the F-104S that people on here more knowledgeable than I am could list.

 

Maybe Kinetic will do the F-104S a future release? As far as I know the only way to do a proper F-104S at the minute is to use the Hasegawa kit and the long OOP Cutting Edge set.

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3 hours ago, DaveJL said:

I don't know much about Starfighters, but would this boxing make an accurate F-104S? I had toyed with getting a Hasegawa kit and then the Daco set with it.

I've seen the intake question raised before and some that question it. 

 

This is a good start.

https://theaviationist.com/special-reports/italian-f-104-versions-explained/

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3 hours ago, hopkp said:

The F-104S had slightly different intakes and additional fins/strakes (not sure of the correct technical term) under the rear fuselage

Also, the main ventral fin has a more acute angle on the leading edge than on the G.

 

In addition, the enlarged catamaran ventral pylons included in many an F-104S kit were never cleared for actual flight and were used mainly on static show displays..!

 

 

HTH,

 

Andre

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3 hours ago, baldwin8 said:

I've seen the intake question raised before and some that question it. 

 

This is a good start.

https://theaviationist.com/special-reports/italian-f-104-versions-explained/

The linked article actually explains the difference:

 

- the air intake access panel assumes a rectangular shape and can be opened capsizing downward during take-off to increase the amount of air entering the engine

 

See also point 13 under this link, which includes a (small) picture, sorry I can't find a better one: 

 

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Q&A.htm

 

Visually it means that the panel lines on the intake differ from those on the F-104G; whether or not that's important in 1/48 scale would be up to individual modellers to decide!

 

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1 hour ago, hopkp said:

See also point 13 under this link, which includes a (small) picture, sorry I can't find a better one: 

 

Well that is by far the best explanation I've seen so far, and that pic with the door open I've never seen, so thank you.

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New boxing expected in September 2019

- ref. 48077 - Lockheed F-104G Starfighter - Republic of China Air Force (ROCAF)

with super size decal - actually it include all F-104A/C/G/TF-104G for ROCAF!

Sources: 

https://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=KI-K48077

https://www.facebook.com/Kineticmodel/posts/1311028205730954

 

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V.P.

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I got the 1/48 Hasegawa one (Italeri boxing nr 2777 for two Italian aircraft - special schemes) and Daco extensive decal sheet "Starfighter Belgian Air Force".

Except for the excessive rivetting, Hasegawa's kit looks enough as a 104 for me but Kinetic's offering looks more detailed.

I'm waiting for someone to build the Kinetic kit to see how it fits together and looks like.

I think the original boxing for German aircraft should suffice to build a Belgian plane (the different ejection seat being provided). Am I right?

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12 hours ago, PattheCat said:

I got the 1/48 Hasegawa one (Italeri boxing nr 2777 for two Italian aircraft - special schemes) and Daco extensive decal sheet "Starfighter Belgian Air Force".

Except for the excessive rivetting, Hasegawa's kit looks enough as a 104 for me but Kinetic's offering looks more detailed.

I'm waiting for someone to build the Kinetic kit to see how it fits together and looks like.

I think the original boxing for German aircraft should suffice to build a Belgian plane (the different ejection seat being provided). Am I right?

 

I don't have the kit and I can't understand if both parts are included by looking at sprue shots, anyway one other difference is the exhaust nozzle: all German aircraft were retrofitted in the '70s with the longer nozzle usually associated with the F-104S (and the F-4E/J/G/S) while Belgian Starfighters retained the original shorter exhaust. If the latter is included in the box then you're sorted. If it's not included, then you can try to use the relevant part in the Italeri/Hasegawa kit, as this includes both types. And there's of course aftermarket around, designed for the Hasegawa kit but should fit this one too

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My thanks to Giorgio and Jeff.

First got to search the reviews to find if the alternative seat and exhaust nozzle are included in Kinetic's kit, before looking for aftermarket parts.

So I'll be able to retain the Hasegawa kit for a camouflaged plane and shall get the Kinetic for a NMF one (no abundance of rivets).

 

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4 hours ago, PattheCat said:

My thanks to Giorgio and Jeff.

First got to search the reviews to find if the alternative seat and exhaust nozzle are included in Kinetic's kit, before looking for aftermarket parts.

So I'll be able to retain the Hasegawa kit for a camouflaged plane and shall get the Kinetic for a NMF one (no abundance of rivets).

 

 

There are two nozzles and both types of seat are included with the Kinetic kit.

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11 hours ago, Giorgio N said:

 

I don't have the kit and I can't understand if both parts are included by looking at sprue shots, anyway one other difference is the exhaust nozzle: all German aircraft were retrofitted in the '70s with the longer nozzle usually associated with the F-104S (and the F-4E/J/G/S) while Belgian Starfighters retained the original shorter exhaust. If the latter is included in the box then you're sorted. If it's not included, then you can try to use the relevant part in the Italeri/Hasegawa kit, as this includes both types. And there's of course aftermarket around, designed for the Hasegawa kit but should fit this one too

There are 2 different exhaust nozzles in the box although I didn't pay enough attention/know to check that actual differences when I was having a sneaky peak in the boxes yesterday.

 

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1 hour ago, Duncan B said:

There are 2 different exhaust nozzles in the box although I didn't pay enough attention/know to check that actual differences when I was having a sneaky peak in the boxes yesterday.

At a guess I'd say the longer nozzle is a bit longer Duncan ;) 

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6 hours ago, JeffreyK said:

...except in the kit they're not...The nozzles and wheels are the two weak points of this otherwise very nice kit.

J

Got to leave something for the aftermarket I guess :shrug:

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New AMMO by Mig Jimenez boxing from the original Kinetic kit with new decals & packaging.

Sources: 

https://www.migjimenez.com/en/preorder/2259-f-104-g-starfighter-8432074085041.html

https://www.facebook.com/MigJimenez/posts/2941934985820189

 

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Introducing the first ever #Aircraft #ModelKit from #AMMO: the F-104 G #Starfighter. A 1/48 #ModelKit with brand new tooling for exact detail, #Decals for seven different markings, #PhotoEtch detail, #Clearparts and multiple options including two types of ejection seats, and two types of engine nozzles.
Also included are previously unpublished #Photographs of the restoration process of the plan on exhibit at the museum of Ala 12 Torrejón; and an #Exclusive #Interview with an active duty Ala 12 F-18 #Pilot.
This iconic aircraft is available at a special #Discount during the #Preorder period; discover more here:
https://bit.ly/2CO6snw

 

 

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Of interest: the decals sheet and its 7 original schemes (see herebelow)

 

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Compare AMMO pics with Kinetic sprues kit pics...

 


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V.P.

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