Aardvark Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 @JOCKNEY My answer here: 😛 B.R. Serge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob S Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 On 5/31/2019 at 4:06 AM, Pete in Lincs said: I have a couple of old Airfix magazines I picked up at a car boot. The January 1976 edition has an shop advert for the Frog Phantom, price, 75p! The March 1976 edition has a review of the then new Matchbox Phantom and criticises the faults around the nose/cockpit. Also in March, a shop was advertising some Frog kits at half price, as little as 28p! Pete I thought I had the 1975 Frog tooling in my collection but it turns out I don't (or at least I can't find it!) so I did the next best thing and searched for a Review by looking through my Airfix Magazines from 1975 to 1977 and lo and behold there was no Review that I could find. I also looked at all of the Ads and it appears that people may not have been aware that it was a new Frog tooling and not a reboxing of the Hasegawa kit as one Business after advertising it for a couple of months then listed it as "(new)" as if to highlight that it was a new tooling and not a rebox. Recently at the ModelExpo Swop and Sell (otherwise known as the Smell, Sloth, and Flies) I thought I had found this 1975 boxing but it was the old trick of the end of the box advertising the Phantom kit as another kit in the range but the actual box and kit was the Sea Vixen so I missed out on getting one there. Just a comment on Airfix Magazine during this period looking at three years worth in such a short period you can certainly see it go down hill in terms of quality during this period. One thing of interest which could lead to a "Where are they now?" type Post was a photo and caption of 11 year old "Nigel Whitley" as the 100 000 th Airfix Modellers Club Member visiting the Factory and being presented with his Membership Certificate by the then Airfix CEO. Wonder where "Nigel Whitley" is now and what he remembers of his trip? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob S Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I don't have my Scale Models Magazines here so can't look through them so has anyone who has them looked for a Review of the later Frog Phantom in this period in time? Be really weird if Scale Models didn't review it as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob S Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Any one have any luck looking at their Scale Models Magazines? I stumbled across this old Thread : and while I don't doubt there may be other Thread it looks like the Kit did go "under the Radar" when released but also it appears to be one of those Topics that surfaces about every decade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Humm Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 I've just had a look at an old card index I did of Scale Models and Scale Aircraft Modelling (up to the early 1990s) and the FROG retools seem to have gone under the radar - no Scale Models review for any of the three until Geoff Prentice got hold of a Novo Lightning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermo245 Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 Time for some modelling on this one! Sanding, sanding and.....some more sanding, we got to this. Frog F-4K M Phantom_(11) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr Then a little scribing here and there. Not at all accurate (or good). Have outlined in pencil so you can see it. Think I need to replace my scribing tool tip! Frog F-4K M Phantom_(12r) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr As promised @Doccur, here's my entry in the Frog-cockpit competition - you can't quite make it out but looks like there are deckchair lines in the floor. 😂 So this must be the Mk.6 sun-lounger.. Frog F-4K M Phantom_(13) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr And how they look with the integrated seat tops - all of this will be going, replaced by a spare F-4 cockpit and seats from the spares box. Frog F-4K M Phantom_(14) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr More later, thanks for looking, Cheers, Dermot 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Good start Dermo,love it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermo245 Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) So started hacking away at the moulded cockpit...top half done with bottom half to follow. Think I'll also need to thin the cockpit edges. Frog F-4K M Phantom_(15) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr A little blurry (sorry) but you get the idea... Frog F-4K M Phantom_(16) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr Then started opening up the rear sides for these little intakes (?) Frog F-4K M Phantom_(17) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr Will box them in with plastic card. Frog F-4K M Phantom_(18) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr And the replacement cockpit which is donated from the spares box (from an Italeri F-4 I think). Frog F-4K M Phantom_cockpit(19) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr Thanks for looking! Dermot Edited July 18, 2019 by Dermo245 Fixing photo links 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Good to see this one still on the workbench Dermot, the extra detailing looks good and will add so much more to the build when finished. Cheers.. Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermo245 Posted August 2, 2019 Author Share Posted August 2, 2019 So cockpit installed and will join up the fuselage later tonight. Frog F-4K M Phantom_(19) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr Cheers, Dermot 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermo245 Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 Right so, must get the finger out to be finished in time! Frog F-4K M Phantom_(20) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr And after a first coat of primer and then paint. Frog F-4K M Phantom_(21) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr The back-seater fell out so need to reattach. Frog F-4K M Phantom_(22) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr And some paint mask bleed to be tidied up. Frog F-4K M Phantom_(23) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr Onwards and upwards. Thanks for looking, Dermot 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Nice to see this one back on track Dermot. I was having a quick scan through the build list and did notice this thread had been fairly quiet. I must admit, I'm guilty of not updating mine too much towards the end and then bang.... its finished! Cheers and best of luck getting this Phantom through before the following Sunday.. Dave 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/27/2019 at 11:26 AM, Dermo245 said: The back-seater fell out Ejected! Always loved the Phantom, so glad to see this build back on track. looking forward to seeing it take shape. Cheers, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Well done Dermot Great to see this Phantom coming to life. Bit frightening to see the difference between the original Frog cockpit and the Italeri one, things have certainly changed over the years ! Keep going, it's looking the business cheers Pat 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermo245 Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 Home stretch with this one. Glossed and decaled, all from the kit followed by another coat of gloss and Flory Models wash, Frog F-4K M Phantom_(24) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr Cleaned off and started adding last few bits. Frog F-4K M Phantom_(25) by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr Just wondering - should the final finish be Satin, Gloss or Matt? Any advice appreciated. Cheers, Dermot 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) Hi Dermot, Last night I was reading the article in Airfix Model World where they built the test shot of the then new Airfix F4K. They said the finish was originally gloss but weathered failry quickly to satin and then matt so take your pick! I never use full gloss as I think it is too much - almost "toy like"so I would do it in satin. Pete Edited October 13, 2019 by PeterB 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) Hi Dermot Lovely work mate. If it turns out too glossy, just imagine it's a Irish summer's day, yes piddling down hence it's shinyness ! Cheers Pat Edited October 15, 2019 by Mike Language Pat! 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 That's looking very nice Dermot. As to finish, I would go for satin or matt. Either will be correct and look fine. Satin may be easier. Once they got the matt look they tended to look very weathered, a harder finish to achieve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellybeard Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Johnson said: As to finish, I would go for satin or matt. Well, it depends. Going by the lack of colourful tail markings, we could be looking at a 700P aircraft and a new and glossy finish might not be out of order. I get the impression, however, that Phantom Phactory Extra Dark Sea Grey was a bit light and the tiniest bit blue. Real EDSG has no blue in it when fresh. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Oddly enough somebody, I think it was Jamie from Sovereign Hobbies (Colourcoats etc) was saying recently on the forum that EDSG was prone to fading fairly rapidly (apologies if my memory is going Jamie) so I suppose that could explain the blue tinge it sometimes shows. I have certainly seen it on some kits when the lighting is just right - otherwise it just looks dark grey. Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I'd err on what period you are trying to represent with this Phantom Dermot. Unless you've used a pure gloss paint from the start, you're unlikely to get a real gloss finish anyway (perhaps that's just me), so if its a new bird I'd see how it looks with a nice gloss coat first. If it's too shiny, a quick hit with a Satin will knock it down a bit. Finding the perfect final finish is never easy, however you'll know when it happens so just leave it and don't be tempted to over do it. She's looking lovely. Cheers.. Dave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pin Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Rabbit Leader said: Unless you've used a pure gloss paint from the start, you're unlikely to get a real gloss finish anyway (perhaps that's just me), There is no problem with getting pure gloss finish on matte background 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Pin said: There is no problem with getting pure gloss finish on matte background Hi mate You've left it a bit late to join this GB, what can we put you down for ? Cheers Pat 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermo245 Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 Thanks all for the comments, really appreciated. The colour is a home-made mix as it was all I had available at the time. The kit decals are for the first a/c (XT 595) so should probably be very shiny. As it's a 50+ year old kit and decals, will go the Satin finish and will be happy with that. Cheers! Dermot 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 21 hours ago, smellybeard said: Real EDSG has no blue in it when fresh. I'd have to disagree there, but using numbers to be objective. Real Extra Dark Sea Grey is a distinct purple-blue with a stronger bias towards blue than red. https://www.e-paint.co.uk/Lab_values.asp?cRange=BS Other&cRef=BS 640&metallic2=False L 35.14 a-2.13 (i.e. red) b-3.96 (i.e. twice as blue as red) Those a*b values are sufficiently strong that nobody in industry would call it a neutral grey. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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