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Hi all I thought I would share my current build of mengs me 410 b-2/u2/f4. I started this build in Feb. I am planning to correct the mistakes in the kit (props and oil coolers) drop the leading edge slats and have 1 engine displayed. 

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I am planning to use the following  after market items. 

Aires cockpit for the meng kit. 

Eduard super fabric seat belts 

The following quickboost items-- ju 88 c/g gun barrels, (under fusalarge gun pack) 

Ju 88 mg 151 20 ( inturnel gun pod) 

Me 410 props 

True details me 110g wheels. 

Rmb 13mm mg 131 gun barrels ( rear guns) 

Vector corrected oil coolers. 

A sorted lead wire

Paint used will be xtracolor and humbrol enamels. 

Airbrushs used are Badger 200 sg & Badger 200 g (fine tip) 

(The cut down blade is what I used for thinning the cockpit sides down) 

 

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 And my referances

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Now for the build. 

As I wonted to have the gun bay detailed as well as using the airies cockpit. I first joined the gun bay roof to the rear bulkhead. I then placed it in position inside  fuselarge with the rear cockpit  and marked around them. As I did not won't to remove any plastic were the kit gun bay is. I then started with the removal of plastic, from the top of the kit gun bay roof as this has the kit cockpit floor molded on it. And from the bottom of the airies cockpit floor. (My intension was to join the kit gun bay to the airies cockpit. But be the same thickness as the kit part.) as well as the fuselarge sides. The airies cockpit walls were thinned until thay were see through. Aswell as removing the casting block from the rear cockpit

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 I was going to use my dremel for the removell of the plastic but the plastic is too soft. So I went old school and used a blade to scrap away the plastic. As the cockpit sides are curved I cut a no 2 bladed down to the size of the front cockpit walls. It took muliable test fits and scraping to get them to fit. As the airies cockpit coming is longer I had two options. Cut the airies part down to the length of the kit part or remove the rear cockpit bulkhead. I went for the removal of the bulkhead and more scraping of plastic. 

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The cockpit and gun bay were first sprayed black then a base coat of rlm 66 (cockpit), rlm 02 (gunbay). Mgs were sprayed humbrol gun metal. Ready for the detailing. 

The results

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 Thank you for looking, feed back and comments are always welcomed. Nick

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Nice nik, much better than my poor effort. 

 

Looking forward to seeing how the build comes along 

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39 minutes ago, Antb said:

Nice nik, much better than my poor effort. 

 

Looking forward to seeing how the build comes along 

Thank you antb, there is nothing wrong with you effort mate, I've hit issues with the kit too. As I've not planned to do a wip there's not many build photos until the stage I'm at now. Luckly I have just joined the fuselarge. Think I'm going to have a issue with the canopie. It's on the thick side. 

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Hi all, I have finished the cockpit and gun bay. As I cut the kit gunbay roof window so it went further  back so it lined up with the cockpit floor I had too extend the window glass (as the kit part was too small now). I used 40" clear plastic card. 

I then started to  reproduced the wiring in the gun bay using 0.2 mm lead wire then I give the gun bay a light spray of rlm 02 to prime the lead and to hid the glue marks it also blended everything together. 

 

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Then I used a 10/0 brush to paint the wiring yellow

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I then started to paint the mg 131's & mg 151's gun barrels. I first painted then matt black then humbrol gun metal. The blast tubes and spent cartridge chutes were then painted rlm 66 with the clamps painted rlm 02. These were then fitted and the whole gun bay given a wash of tamya black panel liner and dusted with gray paste. 

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Then I had a opps moment ! When I when to fit the gunbay/cockpit to the fuselarge I noticed the mg 131's didn't  reach the nose. On inspection I noticed there was a gap between  gunbay  and the nose and it needed moved forward. This was coursed by the cockpit sides binding against the fuselarge... More scraping and test fitting. When everything lined up. It was time to join the fuselarge and fit the cockpit coming. I used a  45 tpi saw blade to rescribe the center panel line before  a light sanding of the fuselarge joint. 

 

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Thank you for looking, feed back and comments are welcome. Nick

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Hi all with this update the updates have cought up will this build. 

As I'm going to have the slats deployed I cut them from the wing half's be fore I glued them together. When I went to join the starboard Wing half's together one seamed about a 1mm longer than the other half. I got round this by glueing the wing tip so thay lined up. When dry I glued the wing root. When I checked the wing was straight I found the wing was worped. (not sure if it was with me removing the slate before it was glued together or as it came.). I straightened it using a mud of hot water from the kettle and a mug of cold water. In the hot for about 20 seconds then bending it then put in the cold. Then checked using a straight edge. 

The opening were the flap was I filled with resin restore the strength of the wing

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I then started on the engine naselles. I cut off the kit oil coolers as there the wrong shape and replaced them with vectors replacements. As the vector ones are wider the kit parts are too small. So I tried a spare from an eduard bf 109 g it fitted. So I made four copies. These I painted oily steel when dry gave them a wash of black then rubbed over with a damp cotton bud after about 30 min. (Vector is the top one) 

 

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As I'm only having one engine displayed, I glue one naselle together except the exhausts which I'll fit after painting the airframe. The other one I have started to cut into the different sections. The bottom of the exhaust cut out is not part of the top cowling nor is the part with the intake on it. (to be cut along inside of tape). 

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I have also replaced the the barrels on the rearward mg 131s with the brass rmb ones. These were painted with gun metal then given a black wash. Replacement props have been painted rlm 70 (colour coats) then weathered. Spinners have been painted black. 

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As the the drawing shows the kit spinners are the wrong shape. I think the vector ones are the the closet match. 

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As antb. Stated in his build I have the same issue with the nose glazing. I have tested the top canopie to the fuselarge. On mine the top fits (after I reposition the compass? On the top of the canopie sill) but the nose glazing is to narrow. I think I'll use plastic card to fill the gaps. 

On the mushroom drawings the nose glazing is 5. 5mm wide. Outer frame is 7mm. Where I have the top of the gap at 8mm.

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When I test fitted the wings to the fuselarge I had o gap at the front of port wing

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This was coursed by a small lump were the front spare exits the fuselarge. Once removed the top fitted ok

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Unlike the lower joint

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And finally for this post the engines. I have started the engine plumbing. Using 0.3mm and 0.4mm lead wire painted rlm 02.One of the copied eduard bf 109 g oilcooler fronts is below. 

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Thank you for looking. Feedback and comments are welcomed. Nick

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4 hours ago, Thom216 said:

I was teased with getting one of these at some point, but hearing about the fit issues, I may stick with my (as yet not even started) Promodeller examples.

 

Soldier on!

Thank you Thom216 .both can be build into great models.To be honest. I am enjoying this build  .up to now most of the fit issues can be fixed. I would say the canopie will take the most fettleing,  And there are corrective sets avalable for this kit . Its a pitty there isn't a vacformed replacment canopie avalable. Nick

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Hi all, just a quick update on the nose & engine nasalle's. 

 

I have used plastic card shims to pack out the nose glazing so it fits the fuselarge opening. These need blending into the airframe. 

But looking at a photos of the nose of the me 410. It looks like the mg 131 openings are wider apart. So I have used strecked sprue to plug the holes for redrilling

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Now for the nasselles. I opened out the intakes using a 1.2 mm drill. 

I must of cut the vector oilcoolers of the casting blocks a bit close because after giving them a slight sanding they were a little short so I used a plastic shim to extend them. The one which is going to be open I have thinned the plastic and joined the lower part of the upper kit part to the vector part. (No issues here.) 

 

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Thanks for looking, feedback and comments welcomed. Nick. 

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Hi all, here's the next update. I have finished off the nose glazing as discribed in the last update I gave the plastic card a sanding to blend the fuselarge and the nose glazing together. Then a light coat of rlm 66 ind then used white stuff to fill the blemishes then an other sanding (front of the canopie is only placed onto the fuselarge) 

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Wings and horizontal tail surfaces have been glued to the fuselarge. First tacked with super glue after checking alinement liquid cement was run into the joins only one bad joint on the lower port wing. Which I'll use a plastic card shim to fill. 

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Tail joins just need another run of liquid glue to fill the joint then a light sanding. 

 

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I have started to finished off the wings below the slat. I sanded down the resin I put into the cut out then a coat of filler. A light coat of rlm 02  the blemishes will need filled. 

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the seats and control colum. I used eduard's real fabric seat belts. I think thay look better after a coat of mat varnish as thay look glossy.  These will be fitted before the front canopie is glued on. 

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Thanks for looking, feedback and comments are welcomed. Nick

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Hi all, I have filled the gap on the lower port wing using 10 thou plastic card( the gaps in the plastic card are were the ejection ports are for the nose mg's) and sanded the airframe joints 

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And fitted the cockpit seats and control colum. (Aires cockpit set). When I test fitted the gunner/radio op. Seat it was sitting too low in the fuselarge this was because the seat support  was too short. 

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I raised the seat by a piece of tube which fitted over the support on the airies cockpit floor. This tube was bent to shape

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The tube and seat fitted fitted. 

 

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When I started to assemble the rear mg 131 aiming controls, I had an opps moment I snapped the frame that the two lower gun sights are on. I ended up replacing the bar with a piece of telliphone wire. 

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I have done a bit on the control surfaces. As I'm going to have the elivators  and flaps dropped. When the elivators are down the trim tabs go up. And visa a versa. The easiest way of doing this is to copy them, and cut the trim tabs from one set to use, and dismenber the tabs from the other set so the elivators are not damaged. I made a mould of the kit parts and made resin copies. 

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The finished deflected trim tab. Ready for the activation rod too be fitted

 

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The flaps are separate in the kit but.. If the flaps are dropped there is a large gap at the top of the flap and wing. This is cose the top piece of the flap ends we're it joins the wing. And doesn't have the airfoil leading edge. A job for miliput I think. 

 

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Thank you for looking, feed back and comments are welcomed. Nick. 

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13 hours ago, Antb said:

Great progress Nik it's coming together really nicely 

Thank you antb, still got the canopie to fit. Think I may still have a fight with it thou. Nick

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6 hours ago, Niknak said:

Thank you antb, still got the canopie to fit. Think I may still have a fight with it thou. Nick

Yes I think you might have a few problems. I'm sure your skills can overcome the challenge though 😊

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Hi all here's another update of the build. I'll start with the flaps, I have used miliput to form the aerofoil shape to the leading edge. 

 

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A quick sand a light spray to show any faults

 

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As I was using  the airbrush I gave the airframe joins a quick pass to check them. A little blemish on the lower wing but nothing major. 

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Also I have been doing a bit more of the rear mg controls. I used 0.2 lead wire for the cabling (painted humbrol 124) and fitted the gun sight bodies. 

 

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The radiator fronts and rears have been started by given them a coat of black and the gun barrels a coat of gun metal. 

 

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I think I'm going to have to bite the bullet soon!!! And fit the canopie! 

Thank you for looking, feedback and comments are welcomed. Nick

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Hi all, here is the latest update. I have continued with the engines and thay are finished. Also been on with the cowling.

The cowling has been thinned an. 5" plastic card strips added to represent the frame 

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Then painted rlm 02

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I have finished the plumbing of the engines using . 4 & . 3 lead wire & copper wire from electrical cable for the spark plug leads. 

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This was painted rlm 02, base of exhausts painted humbrol 70

 

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Then the rubber hoses were painted humbrol 67.

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The engine was given a wash of ak engine wash. The exhausts were brushed with black ground pastle and ground pencil grafite

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The engine test fitted to the lower cowling

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 I have also tried the airies rear mg controls with the canopie 

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It wasn't good. 

Tank you for looking, feedback and comments welcomed. Nick

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11 hours ago, Antb said:

Looks great Nick. 

 

Same issue with the MG controls as me I see. Its not good is it. 

 

 

Yip antb, its going to be plan b. Use the kit parts with the gun sights and pistol grip from the airies set.

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Hi all here is the next update. I have rebuild the rear gun controls. Using some of the kit parts and the gun sights and pistol grip from the airies cockpit set. And fitted it to the airframe

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I desided to fit the canopie in section as this looked the best option. I 1st fitted the windshield. Then the starboard side.port side then the roof. When I test fitted the sides I found a couple of issues.. The rear plate after the gunners position fould the port side and the pilots head armour sits too high. This was sorted by removing about 1mm from the base of the head armour and a little from the top using a file 

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I added the roll cage too the canopie before fitting to the airframe. Extra parts of the roll cage were added using copper wire

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I now fitted the roof

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The canopie is now fitted and ready for blending into the airframe. There are a few seam on the canopie that require a little filler. But the conopie fit is not that bad as I was expecting. 

I have also finished the pilots gun sight. There seam to be conflicting information about which way it was fitted. 

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I have decided it fit it upside down. Wire is. 2mm lead wire. 

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 Thank for looking. Comments and feedback are welcomed. Nick

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Hi all, the canopie has been blended into the fuselarge using white putty

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 And. 5" plastic card at the rear of the canopie as it was slightly raised above the fuselarge. ( barblets have been filled with playdoh and put in place for painting. These will be removed after painting and the varnishing to have the mg 131's fitted) 

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The canopie has been masked using eduard masks and bits of spunge giving a coat of pva glue. 

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The lower nose glazing was then sprayed rlm 02.as this is the front of the gun/bomb bay. 

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Before the primer coat of rlm 66 to show the blemishes that need fettled 

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Thank you for looking, comments and feed back are welcomed. Nick

 

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Hi all, I've started the painting the colour scheme, I will be using a Badger 200 g with fine and medium tip and also a Badger 200 sg with a fine tip and extra colour paints.the camouflage will be sprayed free hand. First I applied the rlm 76.using the 200 g with a medium tip. 

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Then the rlm 75

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Then the rlm 74

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 The next step will be the painting of the mottling. 

Tank you for looking. Comments and feed back are welcomed. Nick

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Hi all,  I have done the rlm 74 / 75 mottling  on the fuselarge using a Badger 200 sg with a fine tip fitted. 

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Thanks for looking, comments and feed back is welcomed. Nick

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