flarpen Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 On 5/17/2019 at 11:47 PM, Terry1954 said: A quick update. A little bit of work on re-applying the "stitching" on the two sides of the panel where definition was poor. I used a variation of the method suggested by @TheBaron and instead of using a hot needle, I covered the micro strip in liquid cement and then after a few seconds used the blade of my razor saw to press into the softened strip. I think it worked ok. Terry Hi Terry I'm intrigued, what is this micro strip and where can I buy it? I have a simmilar issue as you and your solution seems to work a treat. /Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted May 27, 2019 Author Share Posted May 27, 2019 7 hours ago, flarpen said: Hi Terry I'm intrigued, what is this micro strip and where can I buy it? I have a simmilar issue as you and your solution seems to work a treat. Hi Johan, I used Slaters Micro rod (strip is the flatter version). I think I got mine from a supplier on ebay, but I noticed the sell it here also: https://eileensemporium.com/index.php?option=com_hikashop&ctrl=product&task=show&cid=603&name=slater-s-plastic-rod-0-010-12-pack&Itemid=189&category_pathway=4017 You can get thicker lengths but I think this one is the thinest available. Hope that helps Terry 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 Very pleased to find these in the post this morning. Many thanks to @Moa for pointing me at these. Compared to my experience with the Kora resin Mk.82 Snakeyes (see the WIP on the Iranian F-5E), these are some of the most delightful and incredibly detailed bits of resin I have seen. Judge for yourself, and bear in mind this builds up into 1/72 Bristol Jupiter engine. The M-22 seems to be the designation given to the licence produced versions in Russia, which according to references I have seen were the most numerous produced of the Jupiter production centres/versions. So now the dilemma is two fold: Firstly in any case, I would have to chop off the existing engine which came with the kit. Not a difficult task really, but secondly I would then need to install this version and although the cylinders themselves would be clearly visible, that beautiful central hub area will not be. I would also need to construct some sort of "cowling" through which each of the nine cylinders will protrude. I'm considering all options still, and may actually proceed to paint up and detail the existing one first, to see how good/bad it looks, then make my decision. It would also help if I could lay me hands on some decent close up views of the engine and nose area of the Gamecock. This is proving difficult, so if anyone can help on that, I'd be very grateful. To think this was going to be another one of those quick OOB builds .................. Terry 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamden Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Don't know if this site is of any use to your build http://www.jetagemuseum.btck.co.uk/Aircraft/GlosterGamecock They may have some helpful information Roger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 The engine does look beautifully detailed. As to your options, let's hope it doesn't create a dilemma and the poor Gamecock heads towards THAT shelf. Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 As Stuart says, a bit of a dilemma awaits. If you don't have anything else to use it on, then I would be tempted to do the switch because the cylinder detail is fantastic and will be visible, and the engine is crying out to be built! Regards, Adrian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Hamden said: Don't know if this site is of any use to your build http://www.jetagemuseum.btck.co.uk/Aircraft/GlosterGamecock They may have some helpful information Roger Thanks Roger. Gloucester is an easy day trip from down here, so might call them and pay them a visit. Get a look at the thing close up. 3 hours ago, Courageous said: As to your options, let's hope it doesn't create a dilemma and the poor Gamecock heads towards THAT shelf. THAT shelf is a bit crowded at the moment, but it is reducing in numbers as the completed models roll off the production line. F-5E soon, then maybe a small surprise........... 1 hour ago, AdrianMF said: and the engine is crying out to be built! I agree Adrian. It looks like well in excess of 100 types used it, quite a few of which are available as models. It would even make a splendid miniature freestanding model in its own right! The Raresin example gives you 12 pots so there are 3 spare. I'm seriously considering casting 6 more from the set and using those on the model. After all that is all you can see. More thought needed and a visit to the replica in Gloucester! Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamden Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Terry1954 said: Gloucester is an easy day trip from down here, so might call them and pay them a visit. Get a look at the thing close up. My daughter lives quite close at present(moving soon) and has visited the museum, she found the staff very helpful. Roger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Terry1954 said: Raresin example gives you 12 pots so there are 3 spare. I'm seriously considering casting 6 more from the set Nah, buy two more and then you have 9 spare cylinders for this and you can scratch build an Argosy for the other three engines... Simples! Adrian 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, AdrianMF said: Nah, buy two more and then you have 9 spare cylinders for this and you can scratch build an Argosy for the other three engines... Hmmmmm ............... that's not a bad idea..............🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Dammit, of course being A-W it had to use in-house engines, namely 14-cylinder Jaguars. There was a Fokker VII trimotor variant with Jupiters, but it isn't funny now... Regards, Adrian 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 Yes, I saw that they were Jaguars. But as you say, they would look good on the Fokker Trimotor and you can get (several) models of that! Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, Terry1954 said: Fokker Trimotor and you can get (several) models of that! ...although I believe Zvezda is the FROG re-popped. Regards, Adrian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Holden Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 50 minutes ago, AdrianMF said: There was a Fokker VII trimotor variant with Jupiters, but it isn't funny now... Only the single-engined F-VIIa version had a Jupiter engine. The trimotors used 3 less powerful engines. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Nice Engine. I used a resin one which was very generously donated by another member on the forums. For the installation on the Gamecock it really is a key feature. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share Posted June 14, 2019 Some good new and some not so good news on the Gamecock. I decided to press on and see how the engine would look painted up, before deciding whether to remove it completely and build in the new superior resin job. After some further clean up and a quick coat of Alclad Dark Aluminium the detail didn't look so bad on the cylinders, especially if I also gave them a quick wash of black. So thats good......... However, you will notice in the first shot above some crazing of the paint behind on the upper cowling. A brutal close up: Not really sure what caused this except it might be a reaction to some new red Acrylic filler I have been using, which so far has proved excellent to apply and shape/sand. Maybe Alclad and some Acrylics don't mix? It should clean up ok, so we'll see where we get with that. More soon Terry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Terry1954 said: Some good new and some not so good news on the Gamecock. I decided to press on and see how the engine would look painted up, before deciding whether to remove it completely and build in the new superior resin job. After some further clean up and a quick coat of Alclad Dark Aluminium the detail didn't look so bad on the cylinders, especially if I also gave them a quick wash of black. So thats good......... However, you will notice in the first shot above some crazing of the paint behind on the upper cowling. A brutal close up: Not really sure what caused this except it might be a reaction to some new red Acrylic filler I have been using, which so far has proved excellent to apply and shape/sand. Maybe Alclad and some Acrylics don't mix? It should clean up ok, so we'll see where we get with that. More soon Terry Pft. Nothing that a good hammer won't cure. But seriously, some sanding and airbrushed primer and reapplication of the color should do. Alclad is a Lacquer as you know and sometimes things happen (especially if applied heavily), I had similar boo-boos a couple times applying on enamel and primers (rattle-can type). Could it be not enough drying time for the base? Sail on. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Terry1954 said: Not really sure what caused this It's caused by lack of proximity to a Prop&Jet resin engine I believe Terry. Until one is fitted, it's doubtful that any paint will in fact adhere to the aircraft at all. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted June 15, 2019 Author Share Posted June 15, 2019 13 hours ago, Moa said: Pft. Nothing that a good hammer won't cure. But seriously, some sanding and airbrushed primer and reapplication of the color should do. Alclad is a Lacquer as you know and sometimes things happen (especially if applied heavily), I had similar boo-boos a couple times applying on enamel and primers (rattle-can type). Could it be not enough drying time for the base? Sail on. The base coat had been applied many days before, so I doubt it was that. It's polished out now and a light coat of Alclad gloss undercoat seems to have done the trick. 7 hours ago, TheBaron said: It's caused by lack of proximity to a Prop&Jet resin engine I believe Terry. Until one is fitted, it's doubtful that any paint will in fact adhere to the aircraft at all. Ah, I see. I'd never considered that............. nice try Tony! That might well be the final route, but I need to get a closer look at the Gamecocks cowling and how the pots sit within it first. Thanks Terry 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 I managed to sort the crazing seen in the earlier pictures with a good rob down and polish, then some Alclad gloss white primer. A few more areas to clean up that way as well Next it was time to give those cylinders some washes and some highlights, just to see how they came up. The results are quite pleasing to me at least. See what you think......... So far, this might work, although those of you out there who are egging me on to use the replacement resin engine, and all of the challenges that could give in the form of a new cowling that fitted round the pots and neatly matched the fuselage pylon, may well be disappointed. I think that engine will be saved for a future build, maybe even a scratch build, if I can ever get my skills close to the likes of @Moa and others. I'm planning to paint and dry fit the exhausts and manifold to see exactly how the whole thing might then look before the final decision on the engine. So we now have this, complete with a couple of tailplanes. More soon Terry 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Terry, it looks great, carry on my good man. I don't believe there is a need to replace it., which in turn may create more problems than contributions to the final result. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 18 hours ago, Terry1954 said: may well be disappointed. Oh contraire Terry! Fully agree with Moa that this looks absolutely fine. Excellent paintworking on those engine cylinders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 11 hours ago, Moa said: I don't believe there is a need to replace it. 55 minutes ago, TheBaron said: Fully agree with Moa that this looks absolutely fine I rest my case gentlemen! Thanks both for your very valued encouragement. Work will continue on the current assumption that these will not be replaced. I've a feeling I will need to resort to some Baron like practices when it comes to the cabane struts, and possibly even the main inter wing struts - BRASS! Fortunately I still have a small stock of this stuff, given to me some years ago by a very good friend, who is incidentally now one other than our UK IPMS Membership secretary, well done John. I don't believe you can get this any longer, so this is all I have, but should last me a few more 1/72 builds. The brass itself comes in assorted widths but the key is that it is perfectly aerofoil shaped. Excellent for the job. Both my Sedbergh and T31 benefitted from this stuff. More soon Terry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Looks good to me and detailed enough for 1/72. I used a resin engine and literally spent weeks working on it ad the cowl and although it looks well it was a lot of hassle. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Marklo said: I used a resin engine and literally spent weeks working on it ad the cowl and although it looks well it was a lot of hassle. Thanks for your compliment Markio. I reckon I understand your efforts on that cowl as its such an awkward shape to fabricate around the cylinder pots. I wanted to avoid what you achieved, as in 1/72 it would be a lot of work, and this is supposed to be a quick build. Incidentally, I have found pictures of the Gamecock both with and without the front part of the cowling, more commonly without it seems, as many show the exhausts and the ring manifold exposed, as mine will be. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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