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Need help choosing the correct decals for a fake BoB Spitfire 22 in 1:48

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My plan is to make a what if scenerio, where the Battle of Britain was fought in 1946, and wanted to build Airfix's Spitfire Mk.22 in 1:48 and code it DW N, as was the case with the Spitfire Mk.I from 610th Squadron at Biggin Hill. I need your help with the decals, which ones should I buy from Hannants?

1) 

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/X48147

2) https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/X48032

3) 

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/X48044

4) 

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/X48022

Were the letters of 610th 24" or 30" in size? This sheet has both.

5) 

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/X48028

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Edited by Sturmovik

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Im no expert but the 1st, 3rd, 4th, & 5th sheets seem to be good choices. All four would also give you plenty of decals for years to come as well. But if only one sheet is what you want, then id say #1 seems to cover it all except codes ? 

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4 hours ago, Sturmovik said:

and wanted to build Airfix's Spitfire Mk.22 in 1:48 and code it DW N, as was the case with the Spitfire Mk.I from 610th Squadron at Biggin Hill.

 

This is the option from the Airfix Mk.I starter set.  Someone here will have bought multiples of this kit,  and have this option leftover,  

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though if I had to be pedantic..... the Spit 22 only existed in 1946 after the equivalent of 20 years (or more)  of airframe development had been compressed into 5 years.... so what the RAF would have been equipped with in 1946.....

 

So, depending on your backstory....  

 

IIRC I saw someone do a Spitfire I in a very fetching pre-war type scheme,  polished natural metal with those colourful squadron markings....

Gladiator,%20Gauntlet,%20Fury%20&%20Demo

 

probably overthinking it....

 

HTH

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It lacks that convenient top wing, however.

 

One RAF unit did adopt large wing marking post war, on Hornets.  The commander was "Wag" Haw, top scorer of 151 Wing's detachment to Murmansk, and as such entitled (but not allowed) to wear the Hero of the Soviet Union award.

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7 hours ago, Troy Smith said:

 

 probably overthinking it....

Yep. I just need to know which decal set I'd need to use if I wanted to replicate the codes DW N of Spitfire Mk.I on a Spitfire Mk.22.

I also need to know if the codes were of 24" or 30" in size.

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10 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said:

then id say #1 seems to cover it all except codes ? 

I was thinking that too, I don't really need all those. Maynñbe two sheets of the same set to be safe in case one decal breaks.

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Man, I'm probably going to get flak for this, but I don't think there would've been a Mk 22 at all without an earlier beginning to the War. The Air Ministry, according to what I've read, originally felt the Spitfire wouldn't be amenable to development past 1941 or 1942, so in a 1946 BoB scenario, we would likely see planes that aren't Spits.

Edited by Rolls-Royce

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12 minutes ago, Rolls-Royce said:

Man, I'm probably going to get flak for this, but I don't think there would've been a Mk 22 at all without an earlier beginning to the War. The Air Ministry, according to what I've read, originally felt the Spitfire wouldn't be amenable to development past 1941 or 1942, so in a 1946 BoB scenario, we would likely see planes that aren't Spits.

Doesn't matter then, I'll invent another story. What matters is the coolness factor. I plan to pair the Mk.22 with a Ta 152C in BoB colours, with a yellow nose.

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On 19 April 2019 at 9:23 AM, Troy Smith said:

 

This is the option from the Airfix Mk.I starter set.  Someone here will have bought multiples of this kit,  and have this option leftover,  

53e424f804d4a84ced1597519ce3490e.jpg

 

"Someone here will have bought multiples of this kit"... I am that man.

 

@Sturmovik, if you like several sets of those transfers drop me a PM. 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Beard said:

"Someone here will have bought multiples of this kit"... I am that man.

 

@Sturmovik, if you like several sets of those transfers drop me a PM. 

 

 

Thanks, but I don't plan to make DW D, and it'll be 1:48. Changed the title to make it clear.

I still don't know the size in inches of the codes for 610th Squadron Spits, 24 or 30?

 

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18 minutes ago, Sturmovik said:

Thanks, but I don't plan to make DW D, and it'll be 1:48. Changed the title to make it clear.

I still don't know the size in inches of the codes for 610th Squadron Spits, 24 or 30?

 

they varied,  depending when.... see pic

the size of the roundels is given, the smaller ones are said to be 30 inch, the bigger ones are maybe 40 inch

Supermarine%20Spitfire%20Camo%20&%20Mark

from https://boxartden.com/reference/gallery/index.php/Modeling-References/Camoflage-Markings/01-Supermarine-Spitfire

 

The Tamiya Spitfires, both old and new tool cam with DW-O and DW-K options

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1 minute ago, Troy Smith said:

The Tamiya Spitfires, both old and new tool cam with DW-O and DW-K options

Great, what's the size of those codes? You're the RAF Spitfire experten.

I'm planning to buy this decal sheet if they're of the correct size: https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/X48022

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1 minute ago, Sturmovik said:

Great, what's the size of those codes?

 

5 minutes ago, Troy Smith said:

the smaller ones are said to be 30 inch, the bigger ones are maybe 40 inch

the Xtradecals ones are 24 and 30 inch.  They do 

 

note Fundekals do DW-O and DW-K, 

http://www.fundekals.com/spitfires.html

the instructions are a pdf on the page, which may have some info

 

xtradecal do 24 and 30 inch codes in 1/32

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/X32047

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/X32046

 

but work for larger sizes than that in 1/48 

 

1/32nd 1ft = 3/8th inch, 1/48th - 1ft = 1/4 inch (ie 2/8ths )  so if I'm calculating right, 30 inch 1/32 = 45 inch in 1/48, 24 inch 1/32 = 36 inch....    (where did I put my scale ruler...)

 

But, again,  I'd see if anyone has any leftover Tamiya decals first. 

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Thanks @Troy Smith, I can start this project as soon as I get the decals and the aircraft.

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I assume you are allowing for the fact that the rear fuselage on a 22 is much shallower than on an early Spitfire? 

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The rear fuselage is only shallower above the line of the sliding canopy.  The individual letter in the largest size shown in the photos fits up to the canopy rail, so there should be no problem.  It'll look a bit odd on the Mk.22 but no less so than the other codes.

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Artistic licence is free. 👍

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The oversized fuselage roundel is the problem. The left and right roundels will overlap at the top on a low back Spitfire. 30 inchers will be needed if it;s not to look completely ridiculous.

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2 minutes ago, Work In Progress said:

The oversized fuselage roundel is the problem. The left and right roundels will overlap at the top on a low back Spitfire. 30 inchers will be needed if it;s not to look completely ridiculous.

Maybe I could put the roundels a bit lower on the fuselage and have parts of them "hanging."

Would the 35" roundels on this sheet work? https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/X48147

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11 minutes ago, Sturmovik said:

Maybe I could put the roundels a bit lower on the fuselage and have parts of them "hanging."

Would the 35" roundels on this sheet work? https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/X48147

 

Low back Fr XIV

3870062133_428e1b33e0_b.jpgSpitfire mk. XIV. by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr

 

The fuselage roundel is standard 36 inch C1

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Yes, that's more like it. 

Anyway, not those monster silly ones on the 610 squadron high-backs. Those actually met at the top even on the high backed fuselage

 

 

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If you hunt around the various BoB squadrons, 610 were almost unique for their oversized fuselage roundels and gigantic codes.  Maybe all the others read the memo properly?  If you use a different squadron as a basis for your "what-if" you may find one from BoB that fits the low-back type fine.

E.g. I plan to use Frog 1a/Va transfers to make an attempt at a similar idea, though this won't be a what-if as it'll be meant to be a Mk.XVI Dogsbody from 1954's "Reach for the Sky".

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14 minutes ago, malpaso said:

If you hunt around the various BoB squadrons, 610 were almost unique for their oversized fuselage roundels and gigantic codes.  Maybe all the others read the memo properly?  If you use a different squadron as a basis for your "what-if" you may find one from BoB that fits the low-back type fine.

It has to be from the 610th though. I was confirmed that 35"/30" roundels would work on the Mk.22, now I'm wondering if the 24" letters of the Xtradecal sheet would work better instead of the 30" ones.

 

@Work In Progress expect a PM from me soon.

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Why not just make scale 30, 36” circles and see how they fit on the fuselage? Same with letters, make a scale “I” and see how different sizes fit

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I'd prefer to already to know more or less correct measures to avoid buying useless decal sheets, since I have five bookmarked, and not all of them may be correct and fit my project.

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