phat trev Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 I am sure this has been covered before! So hoping no one minds me posting about the colour used in Soviet Cold War Jets... Looking to start one of my 1/72 Soviet Jets from the pile, SU-25, SU-9 or Mig 21 Mongol. Going to use a Citadel paint called Temple Guard Blue as this looks a good choice (may need to a a bit of Snot Green!). Has anyone else used the colour or what do you use for these aircraft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 I generally use Vallejo emerald green for early aircraft and Akan interior blue for modern. Both brush paint really nicely and look accurate to me on 1/72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fewr9fkr9595 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 @phat trev have a look through this and take your pick mate. Loads of brands available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubar57 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Good stuff Tony, thanks George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phat trev Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) Hi this is good, thanks for the link Edited April 16, 2019 by phat trev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 All the Su-25 cockpit photos I have seen are light blue-grey (like the Su-27 Flanker cockpit). Plenty of pics if you search for 'Su-25 Cockpit' The Su-9 had a grey cockpit AFAIK - happy to be proved wrong though. The Turquoise colour was used on MiG aircraft (up to the MiG-29) - although the MiG-31 uses it. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, Flankerman said: The Turquoise colour was used on MiG aircraft (up to the MiG-29) - although the MiG-31 uses it. I absolutely not a expert in Soviet bomber/cargo aircraft, because I interesting only fighters, but something says my what Turquoise colour used not only on MiG aircraft ( from MiG-21 to MiG-27 & some MiG-31)! In my opinion, I see local used Turquoise colour on this photo Tu-95MS (as examples) from Wikipedia: B.R. Serge Edited April 17, 2019 by Aardvark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 You are correct Serge - the I've seen that turquoise colour on Tupolev Tu-154 and Tu-134 airliners, some Antonov's and Mil helicopters as well. An-22... I was trying to point out that we should not automatically assume that ALL contemporary fighters used it - certainly not many Sukhois. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Flankerman said: I was trying to point out that we should not automatically assume that ALL contemporary fighters used it - certainly not many Sukhois. You absolutely right! I don't remember any example of the use of Turquoise in the cockpit Sukhoj. At the same time, most of the cockpit combat Yakovlev is green. The appearance of the Turquoise , some researchers attribute to the fact that this color has a relaxing effect on the pilot, some researchers say that this color is borrowed from the American aircraft* (!? 😲which ones?). But in any case, whatever the reason for the appearance of this color, it was not the absolute standard for the Soviet cockpit. B.R. Serge _____________ * - interesting fact. The appearance of bluesh-grey in the F-106 cockpit is associated with the influence of the color of Turquoise MiG-25 cockpit. 😁😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Yes in Mil helos; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Hello all, my experience on the subject is based on the MiG-21s at Finnish Air Force service. The turquoise colour is rather "blueish" when fresh and not exposed to Sun light. Over time and sun exposure the colour lightens considerably and turns toward a greenish hue. I haven't found any information about the colours used reading these; the original Soviet MiG-21 BIS technical manuals and drawings. I made colour comparisons using the Swedish NCS (Natural Colour System) standard. The following hues were observed in the cockpit of MG-114: S 3060-B70G S 2555-B80G S 4050-B70G There were no exact matches using the FS or RAL -systems. Kind Regards, Antti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob de Bie Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Antti_K said: I made colour comparisons using the Swedish NCS (Natural Colour System) standard. The following hues were observed in the cockpit of MG-114: S 3060-B70G S 2555-B80G S 4050-B70G There were no exact matches using the FS or RAL -systems. Kind Regards, Antti To add to the confusion: In once mixed the turquoise MiG-25 cockpit color from Humbrol paints, 2+47+221 in a 1:3:1 mix ratio. It resulted in a color close to RAL 5021 Wasserblau. Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Hello Rob, is it that sample in the upper left hand corner? It looks good. What did you use as a reference? Antti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Here is a photo of my NCS colour chart showing the three turquoise shades observed in MiG-21's cockpit. Cheers, Antti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 9 hours ago, Antti_K said: I haven't found any information about the colours used reading these; the original Soviet MiG-21 BIS technical manuals and drawings. Some Soviet technical manuals have something information about colours used, as examples this page from technical manuals MiG-25P: Resource: http://scalemodels.ru/modules/news/img_12822_1525440922_032.jpg.html but most technical manuals without this information. B.w. in this colour key from technical manuals MiG-25P say it is said that the zone that most manufacturers of models interpret as "natural metal" is actually a surface painted with "aluminum enamel ЕP-140 (ЭП-140)"! (I recall that my was once asked to give examples of the painting of the MiG-25 😉😁 ) B.R. Serge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Fantastic stuff Serge! Thank you for sharing🙂 Cheers, Antti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 10 hours ago, Antti_K said: Hello all, my experience on the subject is based on the MiG-21s at Finnish Air Force service. The turquoise colour is rather "blueish" when fresh and not exposed to Sun light. Over time and sun exposure the colour lightens considerably and turns toward a greenish hue. I haven't found any information about the colours used reading these; the original Soviet MiG-21 BIS technical manuals and drawings. I made colour comparisons using the Swedish NCS (Natural Colour System) standard. The following hues were observed in the cockpit of MG-114: S 3060-B70G S 2555-B80G S 4050-B70G There were no exact matches using the FS or RAL -systems. Kind Regards, Antti If only more people used NCS1950 - it's over twice the size of an FS595 fan and has much more than twice as many colours since so many in FS595 are essentially duplicates. NCS1950 references clearly cannot be misinterpreted to be paint specificafions either! It's a very handy fan to have! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob de Bie Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 22 hours ago, Antti_K said: is it that sample in the upper left hand corner? It looks good. What did you use as a reference? I tried several mixes on a piece of plastic, and indeed I selected the upper left sample (1:3:1) to mix in a larger quantity in a spare tinlet. My references were some book photos and my own memories of this color - hardly reliable references 😲 I had nothing else to work from, this had to do ! Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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