71chally Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 (edited) like Troffa I'm stuck where I don't want to be so can't link etc, I seem to remember that Tommys' excellent Tailhook Topics webpages features a piece about the intakes, possibly with comparison drawings. The manual pages that John has kindly provided look pure early USN F-4 to me, maybe seen as good enough for the purposes of what they are illustrating. BTW if anyone needs any specific shots from an FG.1 do let me know. Edited April 21, 2019 by 71chally 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 4 hours ago, 71chally said: like Troffa I'm stuck where I don't want to be so can't link etc, I seem to remember that Tommys' excellent Tailhook Topics webpages features a piece about the intakes, possibly with comparison drawings. The manual pages that John has kindly provided look pure early USN F-4 to me, maybe seen as good enough for the purposes of what they are illustrating. BTW if anyone needs any specific shots from an FG.1 do let me know. James it was more for the frame (station)measurements than the drawings, much of the F.4 UK is generic USN stuff. John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 This drawing looks more accurate? John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Superb stuff John, this is the first time I've seen official reference to Dark Sea Grey for the upper fuselage which McDD applied to the FAA Phantoms before they had to be repainted in Extra Dark Sea Grey. Keep it coming! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 48 minutes ago, 71chally said: Superb stuff John, this is the first time I've seen official reference to Dark Sea Grey for the upper fuselage which McDD applied to the FAA Phantoms before they had to be repainted in Extra Dark Sea Grey. Keep it coming! James, this is the full document, it makes for an interesting read, John 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Thank you John🙂 I have the Royal Navy FG.1 painting guide as a PDF as well; just can't remember where I found it originally. It most certainly makes an interesting reading. Cheers, Antti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 On 4/21/2019 at 8:30 PM, canberra kid said: James, this is the full document, it makes for an interesting read, John An interesting read for sure and it begs the question at what point did they change to EDSG? However it might explain why they looked 'faded' in lots of photos of them in service, compared with the Buccaneers, as they might not actually have been EDSG during their early career? Duncan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 My understanding is that they were delivered from McDonnell Douglas in the lighter grey but were quicly refinished in the EDSG, but I can't find tangible evidence of when. I don't know if that involved all deliveries either, as many photographs from very early in service (c'70-'71 say) show the Extra Dark Sea Grey grey The other interesting question is whether the UK33B/1527 Dlossy Dark Sea Gray that McDonnell Douglas used was the same as our BS381C/638 Dark Sea Grey, I suspect slight shade difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, 71chally said: My understanding is that they were delivered from McDonnell Douglas in the lighter grey but were quicly refinished in the EDSG, but I can't find tangible evidence of when. I don't know if that involved all deliveries either, as many photographs from very early in service (c'70-'71 say) show the Extra Dark Sea Grey grey The other interesting question is whether the UK33B/1527 Dlossy Dark Sea Gray that McDonnell Douglas used was the same as our BS381C/638 Dark Sea Grey, I suspect slight shade difference. Chally 33B/1527 is not a paint colour standard, it is a British military Section and Reference number for gloss BS381C/638 Dark Sea Grey. In the RAF/RN If you wanted to paint something DSG or needed some paint to touch up the existing aircraft paintwork you would order the correct colour paint from the UK military stores system using this stock number. There were probably several different numbers relating to DSG, based on quantity required, if you needed to touch up you would demand say a 1 pint can of DSG paint under one 33B number, if you were repainting an aircraft you would order say 20 gallons of DSG that would be a different 33B number. So other than paint manufacturing tolerances there would definitely not be any difference on shade in the DSG paint. Selwyn 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony.t Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I doubt the colours were spectrophotometrically matched fifty years ago. Still hoping somebody like Aerocraft see fit to make the chunkier FG.1 NLG leg as a drop-in replacement. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Thanks Selwyn, so that confirms that the manufacturer used British Ref No for an in use colour. The first Phantoms look slightly bluer to me, but I guess that would be down to photographic processes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, 71chally said: Edited April 23, 2019 by 71chally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) @71chally James I've had a look in the Phantom mod list and the only mention of the change to EDSG in it is this, highlighted in yellow, unfortunately there is no date! unless it's there and I've missed it, I don't speak military John Edited April 23, 2019 by canberra kid missing words 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now