71chally Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 You definitely need to get aftermarket British wheels for the Revell kit. Must admit I've never had plastic British wheels in the Hasegawa kits that I've built, just the metal hubs and rubber tyres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 I begin to think that Revell received the wrong Frame E from Hasegawa. My Hasegawa examples carry the correct main wheels, parts for the Sargent Flecther tanks and "Turkey Feathers" for the General Electric engines (F-4J). Troffa: I'll post some pictures when my camera battery is charged. Antti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 50 minutes ago, Antti_K said: My other Hasegawa kit is a "Treble One" boxing XV583 (Should be an FGR.2?) Antti Hi Antti, XV583 was an FG.1, as were XV582 and XV574 on the kits' decals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Thanks James🙂 I was remembering that only 43 Squadron had FG.1s... Cheers, Antti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 ah yes, 43 and 111 were the FG.1 Squadrons, however both had the odd FGR.2 at some stage, including XV406 which operated with both units. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs2man Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, 71chally said: ah yes, 43 and 111 were the FG.1 Squadrons, however both had the odd FGR.2 at some stage, including XV406 which operated with both units. Don't forget that Treble One were originally an FGR2 unit . They only re-equipped with the FG1 after 892 Squadron disbanded , in the interests of commonisation at Leuchars . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Thanks RSMan, this chart should help a bit, Phantom FG.1 & FGR.2 Squadrons Chart by James Thomas, on Flickr 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troffa Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Thanks very much for that Antti, sounds like your boxing's sprue E (presumably from the F4J kit) s a much more suitable addition for the British phantom kits, and negates the need for the white metal parts. Nice to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Riot Posted April 18, 2019 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) Some great info here, I'm going to have to do the FG1 soon. I don't recall the RAF FG1s having such a long nosewheel, would it be better using the kit FGR2 part and adding an extra tow bar to it? Great chart that @71chally! Helpful if building an earlier Phantom what load to add too, recce pods, etc. I notice the bases for 111 and 29 are the wrong way round though. Edited April 18, 2019 by Lord Riot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 46 minutes ago, Lord Riot said: I don't recall the RAF FG1s having such a long nosewheel, would it be betterbusing the kit FGR2 part and adding an extra tow bar to it? No, the FG.1 nose leg is much beefier looking because of the extra extendible section, the FGR.2 nose leg would look odd with the extra torque link (not two bar). As already mentioned, all FG.1s that were used by the RAF retained the original nose leg but had the extra extendable section disabled. -Daz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Got my camera up and running again. Here is Frame E from Hasegawa boxing And a detail shot showing the main wheels together with Aires resin parts. And finally; my current project. I scaled up the Airfix Phantom "Stencils Placement Guide" and started to compare it's dimensions against those published in "Plane Captain's Handbook" and in A.P.101B-0900-6A2. My findings so far: - the scaled up Airfix drawing matches exactly with the data published in A.P.s and in manufacturer's data - the Hasegawa kit's nose is slightly out of shape otherwise the front fuselage matches the drawing nicely up to FS 249.65 - the kit's fuselage is some three millimeters too narrow between air intake lip and FS 355,38 (1,5 mm to be added on fuselage sides) - the kit's intakes are slightly too wide - the kit has the fuselage side door sizes wrong Antti 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 16 hours ago, Lord Riot said: I notice the bases for 111 and 29 are the wrong way round though. Well spotted, I think I've uploaded an early version of the chart. 111 were formed at Coningsby mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt P Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 There is an original Hasegawa FG1 kit on ebay at the moment, and price is (so far) pretty reasonable with 4 days left to run. EBay number is 163652744129 Would save all the faffing about 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troffa Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 If that kit (Black Mike no less!) goes for less than £40 I'll be surprised. EDIT: £36 in the end! (with £5.50 postage 🙂 ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADMUSKY Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 The Hasegawa FG1 kit is nice, but a lot of parts are generic, it lacks the correct shape intakes due to this (its missing the correct slope down towards the front of the intake from the middle of the body). But can it still be made into a great model. Darren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 8 hours ago, MADMUSKY said: The Hasegawa FG1 kit is nice, but a lot of parts are generic, it lacks the correct shape intakes due to this (its missing the correct slope down towards the front of the intake from the middle of the body) Darren Care to explain, please? -Daz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstorin Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 This link will take you to a site, courtesy of Modelling Madness, that lists every Hasegawa F-4 Phantom II kit and all the British Phantom kits, including the Revell repops, (as of February 2015). The list includes which sprues each kit contains. The British Phantom list can be found below the list of the different sprues in the kis. That sprue list contains a description of what each sprue contains. The page also has lists of the Hasegawa F-15, F-16, F-22, F-14, F/A-18 legacy Hornets and F/A-18 Super Hornet kits. http://modelingmadness.com/splfeat/kr/has48d.htm If you want to know what is included in one of these Hasegawa kits, this site will tell you. Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troffa Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I had a look at that site the other day, and I'm not sure it's entirely accurate for the latest hasegawa issues as Antii has demonstrated. I think the Hasegawa kits have what the table identifies as Sprue "Es", 23 parts with J style mainwheels. The revell repop still has the original E, 23 parts but with USAF style wheels. I will have a look later on, but as its easter im stuck in Ikea with the wife. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 19 hours ago, MADMUSKY said: The Hasegawa FG1 kit is nice, but a lot of parts are generic, it lacks the correct shape intakes due to this (its missing the correct slope down towards the front of the intake from the middle of the body). But can it still be made into a great model. Darren I've noted this also. When viewed from the side the top of the intake is too straight. It looks like an F-4J or F-4E intake. The intake in British Phantoms has it's highest point at FS 249.65 and the line should slope all the way up to this station. After that it should also slope slightly down again toward the rear fuselage. Also the intake opening in Hasegawa kit is too wide. As you all know there has been a lot of conversation about the British Phantom's engine air intakes. Quite many modellers seem to believe that because the Spey as a turbofan required some 20 % more air than the G.E. turbojet engine, the intakes of British Phantoms were 20 % wider. Well yes and no. If you are designing a subsonic aircraft this rule is somewhat true concerning the size of the the intake opening. But when designing a Mach 2+ capable aircraft you have to deal with the so called "oblique shock waves". The interior dimensions of the British Phantom are bigger because of this shock wave control. This in turn can be seen as different fuselage shape and dimensions. The intake openings are almost the same size in British and American Phantoms. The compressor inlets have almost the same diameter in RR Spey and General Electric. As I mentioned earlier it seems that the Hasegawa fuselage is also some three millimeters too narrow when compared against manufacturer's data (see post #36). Kind Regards, Antti 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 If you want to run your slide rule over the 1/48 kit or 1/72 for that matter these my be of use? John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADMUSKY Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Compare the FG1 at the top to the F-4J below, you can see the difference in the angles from the intake going rearwards. its one of those things that not many people notice, but once you do you can see it in a lot of pictures. Darren 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Thank you Darren, that's exactly what I tried to explain. In the upper picture you can also see how the intake slopes slightly down after the highest point. The shape is correct in the Airfix FG.1 kit but unfortunately Hasegawa kits got it wrong. Cheers, Antti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADMUSKY Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Antti_K said: Thank you Darren, that's exactly what I tried to explain. In the upper picture you can also see how the intake slopes slightly down after the highest point. The shape is correct in the Airfix FG.1 kit but unfortunately Hasegawa kits got it wrong. Cheers, Antti I think Hasegawa just re-designed the rear and bottom wing assembly for making the British Phantom leaving them with Generic parts for all their Phantom kits. Obviously saves on cost. (The pictures help show it better than trying to explain to people) Darren Edited April 20, 2019 by MADMUSKY 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Hello John, Thank you for the pictures🙂 The first drawing comes from the "Plane Captains' Handbook - F-4K/M". I'm confused about the wing Buttock Line measurement as it says 51.92 at the root. The measurement is exactly the same in F-4B and F-4J manuals and yet the British Phantom's fuselage is wider at this point. The other copy you posted earlier in another topic (from Phantom's AP) gives different and even more confusing measurements. Or am I missing something? Antti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Compare the kit shape against the photo Darren just posted. There is a very visible difference. Antti 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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